Who you callin a cheater?

Corey,

Maybe you will like this article.

Kiffen Impresses More People

 

Give me a break Aquila, it's pretty immature to think you have to call a rival coach a cheater in front of a crowd to excite people.

Hey for the record, it doesn't make a lot of difference to me if your coach wants to make an ass out of himself. Just don't compare these remarks with any remarks that I have heard from any other SEC coach.

None, nada!

See you in September in the Swamp.

 

How 'bout these from the original smart alec of SEC football?

When asked if his Florida team would beat Georgia one year, he responded with the question, "is Ray Goff still the head coach there?"

Insulted Florida State University as Free Shoes University (after a shoe store gave Florida State players free shoes).

Questioned the abilities of Head Coach Phillip Fulmer of Tennessee "You can't spell Citrus without UT" and former Tennessee quarterback Peyton Manning "I know why Peyton came back for his senior year: he wanted to be a three-time Citrus Bowl MVP"

in reference to the Citrus Bowl being the designated bowl for the second-choice team from the SEC. Poked fun at a fire that burned 20 books at an Auburn University football dorm, saying; "But the real tragedy was that fifteen hadn't been colored yet!"

Often referred to Georgia Head Coach Ray Goff as Ray Goof;

Imitated Texas Rangers pitcher Kenny Rogers, sticking his finger into a camera and saying; "How y'all like my Kenny Rogers impression?"

When talking about recruiting at South Carolina, Spurrier mentioned that he signed a player from the state of Alabama, offering a comparison to his recruiting when at Florida, said; "In 12 years at Florida, I don't think we ever signed a kid from the state of Alabama"; But then he immediately added the punch: "Of course, we found out later that the scholarships they were giving out at Alabama were worth a whole lot more than ours." (in reference to the University of Alabama recruiting violations in the early 2000s)

Responded to a question of;Coach, how did we beat Tennessee this year?; at a South Carolina alumni meeting with ; "The same way Vanderbilt did."

Oh yeah, one more, he questioned Lane Kiffin on the day he was hired about whether or not he had committed a recruiting violation by calling a recruit before he took the test you were talking about. How's that any different than what Kiffin said?

I agree that Kiffin may have gone a bit too far to excite the fans and irritate the Gators but this is blowing up way more than it should. That's all I'm saying. So, yeah, give me a break!!!!

 

Bill,

I do believe those stories about Meyer. As I said he didn't do anything illegal and he didn't put a gun to those kids heads to make them do what he and/or his staff suggested. But that said, everything I have heard about Urban is that he is a relentless recruiter, he doesn't break the rules, but he will do anything short of that to get a player. He believes a verbal is no big deal that it just tells him who he has to recruit against, and as evidence have you ever heard him complain when somebody poaches a Gator recruit? I haven't, he knows that if he's out there poaching your recruits that he's going to have some go the other way.

Personally I think that if a player gives a verbal then that should be it, no more looking around. If he's not sure then he shouldn't give his verbal, if he has a change of heart he should call the coaches and tell them he's had a change of heart for what ever reason and that he's going to go visit another school and check them out. I don't think a coach should tell a player that things would be easier for everybody if he didn't tell the school he gave his verbal to that he was going to make a visit to another school. I think that coach who is inviting him inspite of his verbal should tell him he can visit but only if he lets the other coach know he's going to take the visit. Urban is not required to do that, and I don't believe he does as it would hurt his chances with the player.

Not illegal, and lots of coaches do I just don't like it.

 

Aquila, I think that you are having a problem telling the difference between a needle and what Kiffen did. Spurrier did needle a lot. So let your coach say he wants to beat the Gators, that he will beat them next year etc etc etc

I don't remember Spurrier being reprimanded by the SEC for any of those comments you posted, buy your guy was reprimanded today.

No comparison in my book.

But don't get me wrong, you are welcome to your coach and if you think it's fine that he handles himself that way then have him keep it up. If he does he won't be the guy to lead your team out of the wilderness.

No skin off our back if that's the way he wants to be and the way UT wants him to be.

I doubt that to be the case though.

 

Bill, I think you're having trouble reading my posts. As I said here:

That's my point. In the future, with the precedent Slive set today, I fully expect to see every coach making statements that are critical of SEC institutions, coaches, or players to be reprimanded accordingly. Rules are rules and if you punish one according to the letter of the law, then you have to punish all.

I beg to differ. First of all, I admit, Spurrier has a very likeable sense of humor whereas Kiffin's humor doesn't come off as well and is maybe a little bit edgy. However, I think this statement:

certainly crosses the line especially considering that it was aimed at a student athlete and not at a coach. Also, calling FSU Free Shoes University, man, that showed tons of class!!!! Kiffin was a little more straightforward and ill-informed but he was simply trying to get a rise out of the crowd (albeit in an unfortunate way). What is really unfortunate about this is that lots of people, including yourself apparently, will let a stupid statement define your opinion of him. That's fine. Kiffin has thrown down the gauntlet and I think he will be ready to try to back it up, if not, I think he will be man enough to take his beating a la Georgia. Like you said, no skin off your back.

He made a dumb statement.
Foley whined.
Slive reprimanded.
Kiffin apologized.
End of story.

I'm just glad this rivalry thing has some fire again. It's been a while. I truly hope that Tennessee will soon be competitive on the football field again as well.

 

I realize that most around here don't take very kindly to the talking heads on ESPN but I think this piece offers a good perspective on what Kiffin's goals were by saying what he did. I still think it may have been a little over the edge but I think Wilbon nails the reasoning behind it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/broadban.../broadband/video/videopage?categoryId=2957357

 

I see what Kiffin was trying to do and I commend him for the effort.

But...I wonder if he will last long enough to hone his approach into a more acceptable...valid strategy instead of one that is highly questioned....reprimanded....and so far is without merit and possibly one that inspires what should be a formidable opposition.

 

LOL .... Aquila ... all of the references to Spurrier digs .... were digs SOS based upon factual events ..... not an erroneous assertion that another coach cheated because of ignorance of NCAA rules. Or, did Kiffin really know the rules ... and he just lied about the violation .... and turning Meyer in to the NCAA?? I know you do understand the rather substantial difference.

Terry

Sorry, but I can't just yet embrace the rumors posted on the ND web site by their recruiting maven ...... re Trattous and Hunter's recruitment. IMHO, just sour grapes.

AFA Richardson is concerned, wish he had signed with UF but don't harbor any ill will because he decided UT was a better fit for him. Given UF's depth chart and the signing of Andre Debose, he probably has a better chance to play sooner at UT. Heck, same thing happened with Teague and also Greg Reid, who signed with fsu. So it goes.

Now Kiffin is another story. He's a freak ..... with some serious issues!! :lol: Just reading his apology tells me he's a pathological liar:

 

Mike Bianchi - Orlando Sentinel columnist on Kiffin:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bianchi0609feb06,0,910548.column


Wonder if Mike Hamilton now regrets his decision on fire Fulmer's and hire this snowblind yahoo!!

 

And the hits keep coming from Tennessee's head football coach:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/insidepreps/entries/2009/02/05/kiffin_pretende.html

 

Clearly the Vols are going to experience some horrific beatdowns. Kiffin's challenge will be to turn out a competitive team before the boosters tire of getting humiliated and run him out of town.

We Irish fans have a little experience with a coach who talks before thinking but his act was nothing compared to this.

 

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  Aquila, to the above. Bull hockey.
  
  Kiffin made a really dumb statement
  
  Foley didn't whine but called Kiffin's hand and pointed out how erroneous his statement was and how it lacked factually.
  
  Slive reprimanded Kiffin
  
  Kiffin made a half ass insincere apology
  
  The story is far from ended unless Kiffen learns better judgment in the future.

Aquila, I respect Tom, Cindy, you and all the other Tennessee fans here and don't want to get into a prolonged thing with you here and am probably pretty well done.

At this point I don't have a lot of respect for your coach, we will see down the line. I might also say to you that his remarks are not going to negatively affect the Gator program in the least. However if he keeps up in this mode I predict he will be gone from Tennessee in a few years.

And Foley didn't whine he correctly called the hand of a coach who either thrives on sticking his foot in his mouth or doesn't understand the rules.

 

Terry, I understand your point and you are consistent in your opinion about early commitments.

I also think I'm consistent in my belief that there is a reason for the rules and that these are young kids who have until signing day to make up their minds and that they can be recruited until then.

The Gators lost four recruits who had given verbals this season. It hurts but it's their right and I respect that and wish them well.

I also would be for an early signing period if it is handled right. I don't expect it to happen right now but it may later.

 

Oh boy! and I was worried about what I was going to do without football til spring practices! :twisted:

 

... :lol: :lol: ....that's pretty damned funny and spot on.

I don't like to get too caught up in he said/he said stuff because as Aquila points out we all do remember and us Gator fans revel in the memory of Spurrier's ability to get in the right barbs at the right time.

But that's just it....the right barbs at the right time.

I think Kiffin is trying to resurrect this kind of bravado but he is misfiring awkwardly and it will come back to haunt him.

Just think what the Vol fans will be saying about him when the Gators come out all hot and bothered for this year's game and Urban is in no mood to take his foot off the gas.

I would say already that the Florida game is absolutely huge for Kiffin's first season performance rating by the Tenn boosters and trust me the 2009 Gators are not the kind of team you want to fire up. :twisted:

 

Lance Thompson threw a little barb at Saban also. Coach Miles is probably feeling left out. Maybe they can throw a little love his way as well.

 

MCG

Barbs about FSU and free shoes ... which was true in as much as the NCAA found "player benefits" violations @ fsu arising from players receiving free shoes from the Governor's Square Mall Footlocker store ... are fair game. But ... for coach A to proclaim caoch B is a cheater ..... simply because coach A is ignorant of NCAA recruiting rules is a little different.

BTW .... I'm seeing reports that the Tennessee compliance office told Kiffin the call from Meyer was a recruiting violation. That's scary!! :wink:

 

I don't care much about this intraconference squabble, but it looks to me that what is getting lost in the conversation and what appears to be at best poor conduct is the Florida coach's call to the kid when he knew the kid was at another school. It may not be illegal but IMO it's in poor taste. I guess it's just part of the dog-eat-dog recruiting process, but that doesn't make it right. Kiffin was wrong to make an accusation without knowing the rules, but Florida's hands are not exactly squeaky clean IMO.

 

Sid it is a dog eat dog world out there and esp in the SEC.

Gators....I don't blame you for not believing what I've said about how Meyer handled himself with Trattou and Hunter. But the guys I know are on the inside and they know stuff like that, Krebs will back me up with his inside sources as well. But in the end nothing was illegal, so if I were you guys I wouldn't care if my guy was good at playing the game and doing what ever he thought was best for the Gators within the rules. Actually if it were me I'd prefer my guy didn't do those things. But that's just me.