Bill, Corey never seems to care about those arguments....not in the last 8 years or so that we have known him. Sometimes he acknowledges it and then regresses. Call this subject a regress. Schedule strength is an important factor to me. UF is always faring well in that measurement and others just swell up and point to a game or two at most that they think gets them by in that department when in reality it is the whole schedule year after year that bears witness. UF's schedule rating over the last 30 years is one of the tops in the country. I really don't feel that apologies are necessary for UF.
Dave, I do believe that where it comes to the Gators on this topic we are 100% in agreement and I don't intend to apologize or explain the Gator schedule at all. Hey I'm sitting here in my tilt back chair stiff leg and cast sticking out about 3 feet and typing on my computer. I was at the doctor today and he cut a couple of holes in my cast that I think will give me some relief. I'm watching FAU and Memphis in a game where I picked Memphis but I find myself rooting for FAU.
thanks for speaking for me MCG <r>and of course, you are wrong.<br/> <br/> And if you read what I've been posting, I'm against the super conference outright. I'd like to see the SEC, ACC, Big12 all go back to 10 team leagues and settle this thing on the field.<br/> <br/> Like I said, my beef here is that not one of us (again sans MCG) can tell me with a straight face that LSU would have beaten Georgia this year.<br/> <br/> Scott,<br/> <br/> Just clarifying my position <E></E> In re the media's harping on the Pac10 for not playing a conference title game.. They didn't acknowledge that there was no need for one until the damage was long done. And honestly, I don't think in this case its a sinister agenda. I really believe its a case of ignorance by many in the media who don't do anywhere near the amount of homework that they claim.<br/> <br/> All,<br/> <br/> I will also give the devil its due when next year, Georgia opens with Georgia Southern, Central Michigan and then SCAR... but travel to Arizona State. Florida picks up Miami (Fl) which is fine with me. They may blow recently but they certainly didn't suck when the game was inked.</r>
Corey, I cannot tell you that LSU would have beaten Hawii, Kansas, or a ton of other teams. Georgia's way to play LSU was very simple, win the East. They didn't and Tennessee did ending up in the Championship game. You may be against Super conferences, but if you were to take a poll here you might find that a lot of people aren't exactly for Notre Dame having and exclusive TV contract and a few other Notre Dame items. Don't the other Notre Dame fans jump on me, my point is that you won't get 100 % agreement on many issues such as the one here that you brought up and some issues with Notre Dame that could come up. Sometimes we have to accept that we are not the only one with the only logical thought. That it is worthwhile to understand the other guys point of view rather than assuming our point of view will automatically carry other logical thinking individuals. Because life just doesn't work that way. The media harps on a lot of things they do it to attract attention to themselves and sometimes believe just as seriously as you that they are right. I'll let the PAC 10 people run their conference, the ACC theirs and the SEC ours. Life's simpler that way.
Bill, That cast is a b*tch and you know I know it. My wife finally cut 4 inches off the end of mine because it had my little toe buried under the toe next to it to where you couldn't even see it. That straight leg thing is tough because I couldn't even sit in a regular chair with my leg on the floor for more than 10 minutes because it would strain the knee too much to rest my leg on the floor. The leg almost always had to be up resting on something. I hated that thing so I have a lot of empathy for you. When you get to an immobilzer brace it will be much better.
On Florida adding Miami....the same description applies to FSU. Six or seven years ago and in the 10 years before that playing both in the same season amounted to BCS title suicide and that's not to mention the SEC schedule at the same time. The fact they are down doesn't take away the fact that UF certainly doesn't need to apologize for playing them both in one year in non-conference and it definitely would be foolish to add someone else of stature in addition.
Wouldn't think of it Bill in your current condition. :lol: I know this schedule/travel thing comes up every once in a while. I'm glad to see the chart that started this topic purely as a matter of information I did not have before seeing it, but it does not prove anything re: schedule toughness ("SOS"). I'll bet that if you rate individual teams' mileage, Hawaii would be way out in front, the teams who play Hawaii would be close behind, and ND with its national schedule would be right up there somewhere. A simple glance at a map would tell you that teams in the west are going to travel greater distances just to play in their own conferences than teams in the east, south or midwest. Again, it has nothing to do with SOS. The only thing about this topic that bothers me is MCG's unwarranted attack on Ohio State's SOS. He's like a bothersome gnat flying around your head that just won't go away. I'm not suggesting that he go away, but I would hope that someday he would look in the mirror and have cathartic awakening that would cause him to say to himself, "You know, I'm a real d***wad. I need to try to be more of a decent sport and a gentleman like Gator Bill, Terry, Tom, and that terrific guy from Indiana. What's his name? Oh yeah. Sid."
Hey, I'm finding some benefit here, pity!:lol: :lol: I know this schedule/travel thing comes up every once in a while. I'm glad to see the chart that started this topic purely as a matter of information I did not have before seeing it, but it does not prove anything re: schedule toughness ("SOS"). I'll bet that if you rate individual teams' mileage, Hawaii would be way out in front, the teams who play Hawaii would be close behind, and ND with its national schedule would be right up there somewhere. A simple glance at a map would tell you that teams in the west are going to travel greater distances just to play in their own conferences than teams in the east, south or midwest. Again, it has nothing to do with SOS.[/quote] A piece of the pie, nothing more nothing less. Worth knowing but only in the context of the big picture. Using only this information to judge teams schedule would be like going to a buffet line and picking a mushroom out of the salad section then judging the whole meal by the mushroom. It is information that if used properly allows one to understand the big picture better. I'm a little hesitate to comment here but think I will and hope MCG understands my meaning. I cannot disagree that MCG does fixate on some things. But I can also tell you from personal experience he is a pretty good guy. I also think that as we've established the fact that we were going to be more active moderators to a great extent MCG has taken the brunt of a lot of it, especially from me. But he's hung in there through some trying personal circumstances and from my point of view is approaching things a lot different. I appreciate that because I've known MCG a long time, even met him once, and for sure can use the support of fellow Gators here. I really don't think he meant the OSU schedule thing the way it came out, and I don't agree one bit that OSU has a schedule problem. I do agree that their conference is not at a high right now, but we all know how temporary it can be that you are a strong or weak conference. I hope that others will observe the change in MCG's approach and not fixate on the times he may say something that we may not agree with him. I hope this does not sound condescending but I just needed to say it. I have to agree here, only I'm not sure about this Sid guy! :twisted: :twisted: As usual Sid your insight and thoughts are among the best here.
Bill, we can live with MCG's fixation/obsession with all things Buckeye and the incessant need to throw darts and demean....it comes with the territory. Like the Yankees or Notre Dame - ask the ND guys - those programs rich with tradition and success breed haters from all corners just because of who they are....like the Yankees and the ND guys, that's fine with us, we like who we are and are more than happy to wear the bullseye like a badge of honor.... :wink:
Bill, your message is well heard. I appreciate your personalized comments. I guess that's how we all get to know and understand each other better over time. It's another example of the class that exists here among all the members, especially the three moderators.
Terry and Sid, I can tell you that with all my years on Prodigy and now Skybox my perception of other teams has undergone big changes. Especially Notre Dame. In the past I think you could have easily put me in the category of disliking them a lot. But learning a lot more about them from the fans here has turned me into a person that has an interest in them and root for them more often than not. That would have never happened if it wasn't for all the Notre Dame fans here on Skybox. As to Ohio State, being and old Ohio boy I've always rooted for them when a loss wouldn't serve some other team I'm rooting for. I can't root for them in the BCS becuase after Florida I'm an SEC fan. But I sure rooted for them against Miami, and a part of me will probably be pulling for them. Have great day guys.
Thanks Bill for most of what you said. I do appreciate your human side. I think Gaterz is a decent guy also but he feels like I do when we get automatically put in a corner. We don't tend to back off too easily when attacked. RE: fixation on Ohio State.....BT doesn't get it that I would not have much to say except that when his team is at the top of the hunt for the NC they are obviously still a relevant topic even if he wants to dismiss my team's NC triumph over that team in the same calendar year as we are still in as being "irrelevant". Most of my nastiness never comes out until provoked but I can be provoked as you all know. If someone else wants to get personal and insult me over what I have written it rarely goes without a response from me and I don't see why I should just sit back and absorb it. On the "irrelevant" comment I sure as hell wouldn't want to play a drinking game where you had to take a swig every time a TV announcer or analyst brings up the Fla-OSU NC game in the next two weeks. I would guess that count would number in the hundreds to be sure and if you throw in the printed word probably in the thousands. When OSU has played LSU and we have a result then UF-OSU becomes more irrelevant for next season but right now in the present circumstances that Ohio State has to their credit put themselves in, last year's NC game and especially the surprising result is pretty damned relevant. WRT to Ohio State's schedule.....if the Buckeyes perform well against LSU and I suspect they will even if they don't win then their schedule rating will fade in importance. However, should Ohio State lose by 14 or more points I will guarantee you that the Buckeye's schedule will come up big time in post game media analysis.
...you missed the point entirely. The "irrelevant" comment was yours directed at our Irish friends during one of your rants that the mods mercifully locked before the ND guys deservedly handed you your arse......I was simply re-directing towards its rightful owner/originator where it belongs. :wink:
Huh? You are the horse that comes before the cart, my man. You are addressing people who know what's going on. You can't sell that goose dung around these parts.
BT...I can tell you with certainty that if I said ND was irrelevant it was my caustic response to a provocation. That is usually how it works but you want to focus on the "return headslap" if you will.....which always is a B/S way of looking at things. This is also an answer to your comments Sid.
I was hoping we wouldn't go down this path again. I think what we might keep in mind here is that we all can perceive the same situation differently. One of us may see something as a provocation and the person saying that might not feel that's what they were doing. Then there is a reputation factor, once we pick one up it is hard to overcome sometimes. What I might recommend is counting to 10 or something equivalent before posting a to quick response. MCG obviously has a reputation with many of you and he feels he gets attacked. Both have some basis in truth and I think some hesitation in responding might help us to understand one another a bit better. I know this sounds trite, but I have to say it.
I've never been one to criticise the UF schedule. As has been noted they have annually had a home and home with FSU for many years. For most of those years FSU was a top 5 team. It would be unreasonable to expect them to schedule another home/home with teams of the caliber of Texas, OU, USC, Ohio State, etc. There have been some conference teams who have had 2 really good out of conf opponents but they are the exception rather than the rule. Terry
I appreciate you seeing both sides Bill. Next time someone feels the need to insult or attempt to elicit a dagger type response from me maybe I will belittle them with a comment such as "thank you for that comment....you're a real nice guy". In fact...I will adopt that as my standard put down/insulting retort when provoked. When someone gets that response from me they will know what I really mean. :wink: :lol:
Dave, just let everyone know how much you love them but you don't have to put out the code words here! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just jumping in: I've always felt that Fla. plays a tough enough schedule...but it is indeed fair to bring up the travelling thing when certain folks start criticizing others...I don't understand, Dave, how you can put out a post about it's not the Gator's fault that Miami and FSU are down, while berating OSU's schedule rating (which BTW is not that much lower than the BCS teams average) and ignoring completely that it is not our fault that Washington is down this year...and we traveled thousands of miles to take them on. I guess what I'm saying is that schedule rating is a legitimate point to bring up in discussing the various merits of who should be in the BCS game...but the ridicule is unwarranted because we have played ND, Texas, Washington in home and away series...and have many more coming up...(can you say USC, and also your buddies Miami FL).