Week 11

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  1. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I want to see a SEC vs B12 championship game. If the Gators don't make it I want them to play a B12 team in a bowl. Settle it on the field.
     
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    Well Terry, glad to see you've come around on not having two Big 12 teams in the BCS Championship game. :twisted: :twisted:

    And I agree on both counts of your statement above.

    Dang MCG you make it difficult for other Gators to participate in these discussions. You manage to rile up everyone else here. :cry: :cry:
     
  3. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I'm sorry I wasn't clear, I never wanted a rematch of any 2 B12 teams in the Nat'l Champ game. I'd be for a rule preventing that in fact. But in a general discussion of 1 loss teams, at this point in the season I think Texas is the best 1 loss team. But it's very close with USC, UF, and OU. So I'm not saying we are miles ahead or anything like that, both UF and USC have lost to lesser teams they shouldn't have lost to at the time, Texas lost to a top 10 team on the road in a very hostile environment. That's what gives them the slight edge right now...IMHO.
     
  4. Motorcity Gator

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    But every team in the Big 12 scores a ton of points against those defenses.

    Scott.....I'm just defending Florida's performances of late rather than attacking the Big 12.

    Not trying to demean the Big 12 but I am saying I have to see those defenses vs. the rest of country before I can say they are capable of stopping other teams nationally because it is apparent they can't stop Big 12 offenses....which are very good to be certain.

    The SEC does have some offense other than Florida.....Georgia springs right to mind with Green, Stafford and Moreno.
     
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    Bull crap! You are doing exactly the same thing that you've done in the past with the Big 10. The names have changed but the conduct is the same.
     
  6. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Well I for one have praised UF performance, and agreed them that they deserve to be amongst the top teams in the country. They are an impressive team on both sides of the ball.

    I'm just not sure the SEC is as good as it's been in previous years and I questioned Georgia way back when a bad Arz State team played them toe to toe. Tenn is way down, So Carolina isn't very good and neither are Kentucky or Vanderbilt. LSU is a good team but not a great team. So really UF schedule this year hasn't been anywhere near as tough as it looked at the begining of the year.

    Texas and UF have one team in common Ark Texas beat them 52-10 and it could have been 70 if Mack wanted to score that many, UF beat them 38-7. Toss in the UF loss at home to Ole Miss vs the tough road loss to Texas Tech and you just have to give a slight edge to Texas at this time. I'll emphasize the slght.

    As far as the closing schedule, well South Carolina and the Citadel are both bad teams. FSU is an average team that plays in a poor conference so you really don't have any tough games left till you play the Tide in Atlanta. To be fair neither does Texas.
     
  7. Motorcity Gator

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    SouCar and FSU are both ranked in the top 25 and both can beat Florida if taken lightly.

    I wouldn't call em "bad" teams by any means.
     
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    This has never been a site where telling it like you see em is acceptable.

    I have said that I don't care if the Sooners gave up 177 points in 5 games to NFL teams....that is a helluva lot of points to give up for a top 5 team.
     
  9. Scott88

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    Baloney.
    So you are saying Arkansas, and Kentucky are 'real" defenses, eh? Let's not forget Tenn (sorry Tom!), who just lost to some directional school.
    :roll:

    The problem is, you can't build Florida up without tearing every other team down.

    Back up your claims with CORRECT statistical evidence from THIS year, and at least we can debate logically.
    Otherwise you're just blowing hot air.

    OU in 6 conference games has given up 174 points for 29ppg.

    They have scored 325 points for 54ppg.

    That's an average margin of +25ppg. I'd take that in a heartbeat.
     
  10. IrishCorey

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    Telling it like it is:
    You listed 5 teams and credited them with 7 bowl wins. Of those 5 teams, how many of them will even go bowling this year?

    One of those 5 teams you listed lost to Missouri in their bowl game, the very team you were belittling just a few posts ago.

    3 of those 5 teams you listed won bowl games last year. The way you word that, you make it seem like that 5 game stretch was some murderers row, or something. It clearly is/was not, especially since all of those teams are no where near as good as they were last year with the possible exception of Vandy... who is in a tailspin.

    It looks like you have Florida, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina (who struggled to beat both Wofford and UAB), Kentucky and LSU are bowl eligible.

    Some teams like Auburn will require an act of God, and maybe Congress, to have any hope of a bowl game.

    Looking at the conference as a whole:
    Alabama 10-0
    Florida 8-1
    Georgia 8-2
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    South Carolina 7-3
    LSU 6-3
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    Kentucky 6-4
    Ole Miss 5-4
    Vandy 5-4
    Auburn 5-5
    Arkansas 4-6
    Tennessee 3-7
    Miss State 3-7
     
  11. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I'll give So. Carolina this ...they're better than UAB, Wofford and Notre Dame!! :)

    But seriously they are a team with a lot of flaws and really aren't a threat to UF unless UF forgets to get on the team bus. Same for FSU, they play in the ACC and the few times I have watched them they looked very average against medicore competition. But they are better than Notre Dame. This would have been a great year for the Gators to have brought in Notre Dame instead of the Citadel. :(
     
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    I like Florida's team this year and I have thought the Gators were one of the top teams in the nation since the preseason. They're hitting their stride now.

    The Big 12 is way better than the SEC on paper this season. How that would play out on the field, we do not know and b/c of a lack of bowl matchups pitting marquee teams from each conference (Cotton being an exception), we will not know unless we get an SEC vs. Big 12 NC game. The most likely scenario for that to happen is if Texas Tech and Bama go undefeated obviously. However, if TT goes undefeated and Florida wins out including a W versus an undefeated Alabama team, UF WILL be in the NC game, bank on it. You may not like it, it may not be fair, it might even be sacrilege but it will happen.

    Also, if the above scenario plays out for the Gators but Texas Tech takes a hit somewhere along the way, the Gators will play a 1-loss USC team for the title especially if Oregon St. loses along the way, making it possible for USC to win the Pac-10 crown. I would almost be willing to bet as much on that happening as I would the above scenario.

    IMO, the only way a Big 12 team plays for the title if Florida/Bama and USC keep winning is if TT remains undfeated. Oklahoma has the biggest opportunity to prove they belong with big wins over TT, OK St., and a potential matchup versus Missouri in the Big 12 title game (if they get in). Texas could benefit from that same scenario and might play for the NC if they win big against Missouri but I just don't see the media shutting out a "worthy" USC team out of the NC game for 2 years in a row.

    I'm not saying all of the above is the way it should be but I do think it is the way IT IS.
     
  13. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I agree with most of what you say except that part about USC jumping over all the B12 teams. I just don't see that happening. If Tech wins out they are in, which you agreed is what will happen. But I think if Tech falls and OU and Texas both win out one of those two will be in the BCS game with UF/Bama winner.

    I just can't see USC jumping over both OU and Texas, esp if OU finishes by beating #2 and a top 15 program in Ok State and a top 25 program in Missouri. While USC has Stanford, ND, UCLA to play...not exactly murders row. Stanford was beaten by ND, and ND is a mediocre team and UCLA a bad team. Just not enough there for USC to jump all the B12 programs.
     
  14. Scott88

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    Aquila,

    None of us (as far as I can see) are debating whether or not Bama or UF will be in the champ game if either wins out.
    I believe that is a good assumption, and in either case correct.

    I think USC is on the outside looking in due to the PAC being a little down,
    and the XII being very good at the top.
    I'm pretty sure a 1 loss XII champion will stay ahead of them in the BCS.
    I'd be a little worried if I was Terry. It won't make sense, but I could see OU jumping Texas if if they win out, and there's a 3 way tie for the south. If BCS rank is the tie-breaker for XII south rep... uh oh.
     
  15. Tennessee Tom

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    No apology necessary. We suck this year. Case closed.
     
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    I feel the same way Aquila but MCG makes it so easy for me to revert back to the days of hating the Gators. It's loud mouthed obnoxious fans like him that destroy the ability of other Gator fans to discuss issues and take pride in their team.
     
  17. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    You're probably right and the only way Mack can combat that is he has to absolutely lay the wood to Kansas and A&M. No fewer than 60 points in either game if possible, leave Colt McCoy in till we have 60 even if it means going for 2 with 10 seconds on the clock!
     
  18. Scott88

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    Sad but true Terry...

    And so the BCS destruction of good sportsmanship will be complete.

    Gawd I hate this thing.

    :x
     
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    And it becomes true. Margin of victory does become the object of the game. Sometimes it seems as if the margin is not as important as the winning score. If you score 60 it really doesn't matter if your opponent scores 40??? :(
     
  20. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    In addition these girls will be making outcalls to voters!! :)

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