We have a mental problem..... not a gun problem

Dave do you own a gun?

 

Let's pass a law....

Prohibition sure kept people from drinking didn't it? The death penalty doesn't keep people from killing. What makes anyone think that we can legislate against nuts somehow getting their hands on guns?

 

Ralph I have a 12 gauge Stevens model 311 shotgun that I had since I was 14.

Shot a 200 pound boar hog in a thicket about 20 feet away once in west Fla. and killed many a dove, duck and squirrel with it.

So repeatedly I get that there is no solution.... gun control won't help and is anti-teaparty..... and we're just fuc*ing doomed to see an ever increasing occurrence of the gun slaughtering horror we have been seeing so much.

Everybody just gives up then?

Just a word of caution.... don't come down to Florida and get pissed off at anyone or especially throw popcorn at someone unless you're locked and loaded. :wink:

 

Ah Dave if only it were that simple.
Gipper gave you the short (but accurate) answer.

That is total BS, and if you don't know it, then you are so blinded by hatred of the "right" then you really are beyond reason.

You seem to always believe there's an easy button answer.
Do you really think it's that simple to determine when mental issues or instability pose a threat?
OH wait... I'm sure you'd have us lock up anyone that has ever been stressed out, or lost control a little or is just a loner.

To get the level of "protection" you advocate would be incredibly invasive to EVERYONE. Are you ready to go in for your annual mental health analysis? Oh... and it will be for everyone not just people who want to buy guns.
You'll need to pass to buy a knife, or fertilizer, gasoline, or to VOTE...

 

Really? Where did I indicate that?

You confirm what I have been saying though.

The right proposes that it's a liberal problem.... sorta like global warming.

Close your eyes... click your heels.... and blame it on the left while admitting
that right can't do anything about it because by God.... we have to be armed when the UN comes a callin. :shock:

 

You are funny, I'll give you that.

I asked for your solution, you said legislate it away.
THAT'S THE EASY BUTTON.

I want a detailed list of the laws you would propose to accomplish this, and how they will work.


I never said the problem belonged to one side or another, simply tried to point out how DIFFICULT it would be just to nail down the "target" people...

Go ahead and keep bitching, but not solving Dave. You are worse than those you oppose. You don't want the problem solved, then you couldn't whine about it.

 

Scott I am very, very simple-minded about this.

I just want both sides to acknowledge that neither side will gain political edge from a real solution.

And that thought prevails for every crisis issue we have in America.

I think this unity of Americans used to be possible.

Now.... it's all about hate.... doubt.... hopelessness..... and criticism.

Should a Republican get elected Prez in 2016 those failings probably won't change.

And you can bet your ass he/she won't give a damn about guns killing innocent people.

 

Dave

I sure don't have the answer to mental illness and gun related deaths. Yes I own guns and they are as common and as normal as a pocketknife in my house or vehicle, but a piece of me dies with every innocent life taken away. There are a thousand options with another thousand counter options. A firearm used with proper intentions is just another tool such as a baseball bat or automobile is but each can be used to harm a fellow human being.

Removing all firearms or restricting them to the point that only government has control goes against deeply held American ideals of freedom and individualistic ideology. This you understand I am positive but you feel the same frustration as I do with every terrible tragedy.

I wish it was as simple as tightening up the ability to legally own a firearm to stop wasteful deaths. But it would never stop with that, the left wing faction would not be happy until all civilians cannot have access to firearms and compare us to whatever countries fit their agenda. Meanwhile the extreme right it seems will not be happy until we are all carrying assault rifles out the front door everyday.

We are so set into our factions of beliefs that we are unable to compromise in this issue as well as every other issue facing our country. We seem to have lost our maturity in decision making in America and this issue is one of many we are facing. Tragically innocent life's continue to be lost.

 

Very well said, Ralph. I couldn't agree more.

 

Well said Ralph.

I think one of the problems is that the opposition to gun control is stuck on the belief that if you give em an inch they'll take a mile.

It's like if you give a starving man a dollar he'll come and take your house.

Never in my memory have I seen such polarization and unwillingness to compromise.

 

Hey here's a happy story that would never make the national news

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/husband-and-wife-open-fire-on-gunmen-who-try-to/article_29109617-bc56-534f-82e6-d36ccba40c38.html

 

We've got to do something about these crazy home owners getting guns.
One man died... how many more????

:roll:

 

I don't think gun control advocates are proposing that there aren't any worthy gun owners out there.

These people probably could or would pass a background check that might eliminate others. They do have a lot of guns it seems and aren't afraid to use them. I wouldn't throw popcorn at any of em in a movie theater. :wink:

 

Now I heard a news report just the other day that stated that gun deaths in the US are down 49% since 1993.

 

No. The problem is that the left has proven time and time again that if you give them an inch they will take miles upon miles.

Neither side can be trusted. What Ralph said was spot on.

My ex recently killed herself and there's not one person who actually knew her who thought that it was a good idea for her to own firearms.

The day before she killed herself, there was a confrontation involving her and her oldest son. She came home randomly in the middle of the day to find him going through her house searching for her gun. She was going to lose custody of my son and we all knew we had to get the gun. The police wound up being called to that place and even they immediately recognized that she had no place owning a gun (based upon the living conditions in the house). The police were willing to 'bend' the rules if they were able to find it. The problem is, she lived like a hoarder and it couldn't be found. When they asked her where it was, she claimed it was in a safe deposit box off the premises.

The next day, we were faced with what we already knew. It was in the house.

The point in this long ramble is that you just can't stop some people from doing what they are going to do. You have school attacks in Asia involving axes and machetes. There's a very real problem with mental illness now because we refuse to force people to receive the treatment that they need, and perhaps rightfully so.

Until both sides learn to compromise, you just write it off as Darwinism and hope you're not caught in the cross fire.

 

Hmmm, maybe that's because they've heard the words of people like Senator Diane Feinstein:

Or what the President allegedly said during his time at U of Chicago:

Those seem like "miles" to me.

 

:idea:

There is no compromise on the Constitution.

 

With a President like the one we have now, one who wipes his keyster with the Constitution and governs like a monarch, it would be insane for the citizens to disarm.

 

This past week there was a get-together in Indianapolis of legislators from 33 states to discuss the possibility of a constitutional convention. What little I read about it mentioned that they believe some form of change may be in order. I'm guessing the group was conservative because of the location, but liberals feel the same for different reasons . Scary thought.

 

Maybe they should consider removing the protection in the Constitution for the press. It forfeited that right when they went from watchdog to lapdog in so far as the government is concerned.