Vote Counting

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  1. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Votes miscounted or a machine malfunctioning does not represent "widespread voter fraud". As many have said small glitches occur in every election but certainly in the general election where 150 million votes were cast it would take massive mistakes to flip things around.
    Unless you believe that in pro-Trump rural counties in Georgia that every official and un-monitored vote counter is a Democratic Trump hater to the point where 2600 uncounted votes were 100% for Trump.
     
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    Georgia found a second batch of uncounted votes.
     
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    So that's 400 more votes for Trump that will not affect the outcome in a state that even if overturned would not affect the general election results:
    "According to the Secretary of State’s Office, there were approximately 2,700 votes found on a memory card in Fayette County that had not been uploaded properly.
    The county will re-certify election results on Wednesday.

    According to Gabriel Sterling with the Secretary of State’s Office, President Donald Trump gained roughly 400 more votes in this batch found in Fayette County.

    Sterling also explained that this situation differed from the found ballots in Floyd County due to that these ballots had already been scanned but were not uploaded to the results. The ballots found in Floyd County had not been previously scanned at all."

    Hey if they found 3,000 votes all set off to the side in a box in the closet with a blanket over it and they were all 100% for Trump then maybe they have something.....
    I gotta say I'm a little suspicious of Biden votes not getting counted properly given these glitches found in Georgia. Hell maybe Biden won the popular vote by even more than 5 million if they were to recount and check every vote everywhere. But of course at the taxpayer expense of hundreds of million of dollars maybe that wouldn't be feasible..... or sane.
     
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  4. Terry O'Keefe

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    I'm telling you, recounts are important for the local races, more so than the Presidential race.
     
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    Voter Fraud is real!! Here's a Democrat who got caught, and it was about a local election.

    Two Los Angeles men have been charged with voter fraud after attempting to submit 8,000 ballot applications for nonexistent or deceased voters.


    Hawthorne, California, mayoral candidate Carlos Antonio De Bourbon Montenegro, 53, and Marcos Raul Arevalo, 34, planned the effort in an attempt to help Montenegro win his bid for mayor, Los Angeles District attorney announced Tuesday.

    The county is accusing Montenegro of submitting more than 8,000 fraudulent ballot applications on behalf of "fictitious, nonexistent or deceased" voters between July 1 and Oct. 15 of this year, according to a felony complaint.

    2 men charged in voter fraud involving 8,000 ballot applications for 'fictitious' or dead voters
     
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    Sad but true Terry and it also appears some of the computer programs used to count votes can be manipulated.
     
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    I guess in California, not only the brain dead vote Democratic but also some of the real dead do too.
     
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  9. Motorcity Gator

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    Meanwhile in Michigan the unthinkable almost happened:
    "Trump's lawyer Ellis tweeted: "If the state board follows suit, the Republican state legislator will select the electors. Huge win for @realDonaldTrump."

    Here's what that means: the Republican-controlled state legislature would try to overrule the popular vote and submit a separate set of Trump electors to select the next president in the electoral college.

    The good news is that there are many practical hurdles to achieving such an outcome. The bad news is that Ellis' statement translates to an official endorsement by the Trump campaign of a desperate strategy to stay in power by ignoring the results of the election and the clear will of the people. It is an admission that they care more about partisan power than democracy itself.
    As Michigan-based Politico reporter Tim Alberta tweeted, "This system of certifying has always been ripe for exploitation by partisan hacks. Now the stars have aligned -- a demagogue president, a party bereft of integrity, and an activist base that believes 244 years of democratic norms are expendable if it means 4 more years of power."
     
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    Putting aside the fact that it will never happen, if I recall correctly some Democrats tried to look into hijacking the electors votes in a couple of states in 2016. Didn't happen then and won't happen now...the only difference is all the pejorative comments as those you are posting. Give it a rest.
     
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    They were called the “Hamilton Electors”, Stu. They were Democratic members of the electoral college who attempted to persuade Republican electors not to vote for Trump so that he would not reach the 270 benchmark thereby compelling the House of Representatives to elect the president in 2016. Their counsel was a Harvard law professor named Larry Lessig. But, it appears that the professor now does not like the idea of a state’s electors voting contrary to the wishes of the voters:

     
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  12. Motorcity Gator

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    I'm not familiar with any similar efforts by democrats in 2016 but I'll take your word for it that some more radical elements could have floated the idea out there. However..... I am 110% certain that candidate Clinton and her staff were not a part of it and would never have supported such a move to attack our democratic process and it would not have been looked upon favorably by senior Democratic members of the Senate. Candidate Trump on the other hand promotes, hires lawyers and tweets himself daily about such a move or worse while senior members of the GOP Senate stand by in mute silence or in some cases in full support of Trump's strategy to undermine our democracy.
    "Historian Benjamin Carter Hett writes about it more expansively in the LA Times, and makes the point that Trump pushing the massive lie that he won the election and his party's enabling of him will have corrosive effects on democracy.
    Now we see the GOP gladly catering to Trump's delusions about his election "victory." Such prominent politicians as Sens. Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo are eagerly following along. Their lies too will linger and sow bitterness for years.
    They have shown that winning -- even flattering Trump's fragile ego -- means more to them than the survival of our democracy. How long can we go on as a democracy with one of our two great parties in the hands of such people will be the urgent question of the coming years."
     
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  13. Motorcity Gator

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    Ok..... is this just total untrue ********? This is America the last I looked.....not some dictatorship in Latin America so maybe this statement below is just plain CNN hyperbole: Right?

    "Certification is usually a formality, but Trump is trying to block or delay the process in key states as part of a long-shot effort to overturn his election defeat through the Electoral College. Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani and other allies have suggested that GOP state legislatures in battleground states Biden won should try to use a delay in certification to appoint their own slate of electors and ignore the states' popular votes for Biden."
     
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    Speaking of Latin America, why were election machines purchased from Venezuela for Dem. swing states?
     
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    Probably to help Trump garner the majority of the Latino vote I would assume as he did in fact do. He tapped into the "Socialism" fears pretty good..... one of his only legitimate strategic campaign moves that while it was fear mongering and not true was nonetheless effective.
     
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    A regional director of the California Democratic Party seems to think that political opponents need to be forcibly deprogrammed. I guess this is part of the post election healing process that is needed after “authoritative” Republicans lose power.

     
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    They better not knock on JO'Co door, he'll reprogram them!
     
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    So I post a list of actual voting results in Detroit Wayne County that totally refute the GOP and Trump's efforts to cast doubt on the election results there in Detroit..... one of Guliani's "four cheatin cities" and the topic gets locked because it's too factual? I indicate I highly disapprove of the lies and no one can present any argument for election rigging so the topic is locked?
    Am I the only one here who cannot voice an opinion based on true facts???? I personally hate what's going on..... my opinion.
    If I am unable to voice a dissenting opinion here then just ban me.
     
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    It got locked because of your inflammatory language and it is hardly as factual as you say.

    Your presentation style like this post is what gets you in trouble. You seem incapable of just discussing something with facts without name calling etc.

    You love to troll and I am tired of it. Grow up and it won't happen.

    You told us you were done with us, then started a topic to ask me one simple question and then have been trolling us ever since.

    Fix your style or banning is an option, I have better things to do that to be constantly dealing with your BS.
     
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  20. Motorcity Gator

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    The facts I presented are actual vote counts for the last 6 presidential elections for Wayne County Mi. and every one reflects essentially the same result.... with nothing unusual about 2020.
    Yet Trump has cited Detroit as affecting his losing the election with voter fraud. Michigan has traditionally voted Democratic and yet he pulled a surprise win there in 2016 by a measly 10,700 votes.... a margin he would surely be railing about now if it was Biden’s. Re: name calling in the locked topic who did I call any name?