I'm sitting here listening to someone who believed that the last election was rigged by Russia colluding with the Trump campaign. Believing that counting that is being hidden from observers is a lot more connected with reality that the Dem response to the last election.
One thing for sure is that Biden had no coat tails. House Democrats lost a number of key races and while they will still be in the majority they will not make the gains that they had anticipated and they also are not taking the Senate which they thought would be in play.
Dave why do you bother coming here, you think we're all idiots except for you. Your rhetoric here is intentionally intended to start fights and inflame conversations.
No comments are necessary if you did see Trump's rant live yesterday. As an American how could you not have been very alarmed? My grown son, my wife and I all agreed it felt very much like 9-11 in terms of how disturbing it was with regard to our feeling of national security being violated to hear a sitting president melt down as Trump did during that press conference with an all out attack on our way of government.
From Fox News: "Republican Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland tweeted that there was "no defense for the President’s comments tonight undermining our Democratic process. America is counting the votes, and we must respect the results as we always have before. No election or person is more important than our Democracy."
My family voted by mail for the first time in our lives..... and not because of some deviously designed plan to cheat Donald Trump out of an election. In a nutshell: "The reality is simply that many states changed their laws to make it easier to cast absentee ballots in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, and Americans used mail-in ballots in record numbers in the 2020 election -- all of which take longer to tally. And as a result of Trump's attacks on vote-by-mail, absentee voters were overwhelmingly Democratic. And because of the laws in several swing states, including Pennsylvania, those votes were counted last. "Given the tremendous pressure of the pandemic and an election that many voters viewed as existential, election administrators overall did a superb job conducting the election and counting the ballots," said Rick Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine,
Legal challenges are just that LEGAL. I don't think we're going to see the courts overturn established laws regarding the election, just make sure they were fairly and evenly applied. That said I really don't think these court challenges are going to change anything.
Fox and other outlets have called it for Biden. Trump will file some lawsuits and complain but I can't imagine that he will be able to win via lawsuits. Gore couldn't in 2000. Congrats to Biden, I thought he would win not because he's a great candidate, but because he's not Trump. The Democrat majority in the House was reduced and the Senate is still up in the air, right now it's at 48-48 , I hope we can hold on to the Senate. Democrats holding both houses is not a good thing for the country.
"I thought he would win not because he's a great candidate, but because he's not Trump." I agree 100%.... although Biden has a more subdued and unifying approach to both sides of the nation than Trump ever would and people are embracing that part of Biden. Someone said he may be more moderate than some on the left would like and that is music to my ears. I also agree that if the GOP can become less Trump like in their division and dismissive attitudes and work more with the other side of the aisle I would rather see them keep their small majority in the Senate. I'm never comfortable with either side being able to ramrod their particular philosophy into policy simply because they can.
Pompeo and others in the GOP or Trump administration point to 2000 Florida as an example of why they feel compelled to falsely pursue lawsuits and try to overturn the election results. This is what really happened in 2000 Florida: The returns showed that Bush had won Florida by such a close margin that state law required a recount. A month-long series of legal battles led to the highly controversial 5–4 Supreme Court decision Bush v. Gore, which ended the recount. The recount having been ended, Bush won Florida by 537 votes, a margin of 0.009%. The Florida recount and subsequent litigation resulted in major post-election controversy, and with speculative analysis suggesting that limited county-based recounts would likely have confirmed a Bush victory, whereas a statewide recount would likely have given the state to Gore.[ So these liars really have no leg to stand on..... can't and will not be able to prove widespread voter fraud and yet because of the Trump temper tantrums and his childish vengeful actions toward those that don't support his craziness this country and it's democracy is unable to move forward. What a very very selfish man.
I would like to believe there are logical explanations and that Trump really would not lay down in the middle of the floor and kick and scream as it appears that he is: "President Donald Trump and his allies in the administration are dislodging officials across the government and burrowing loyalists into agencies in a way that could make them difficult for President-elect Joe Biden to remove next year. The moves following Trump's loss to Biden, which the President has thus far refused to accept, appear to be an effort to shape the government to Trump's liking on his way out the door, while also impeding Biden's transition to power. Biden's transition has yet to officially start because the Government Services Administration, the obscure agency that runs the transition process, has not formally accepted Biden as the winner"
"The Trump administration has carried out sweeping changes atop the Defense Department's civilian leadership structure, removing several of its most senior officials and replacing them with perceived loyalists to the President. The flurry of changes, announced by the Department of Defense in a statement roughly 24 hours after President Donald Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper, have put officials inside the Pentagon on edge and fueled a growing sense of alarm among military and civilian officials, who are concerned about what could come next. Four senior civilian officials have been fired or have resigned since Monday, including Esper, his chief of staff and the top officials overseeing policy and intelligence. They were replaced by perceived Trump loyalists, including a controversial figure who promoted fringe conspiracy theories and called former President Barack Obama a terrorist."
The election fraud discussion would be over if the GOP Senate leadership wasn't afraid to go against Trump's voting base who buy in to his lies and misinformation about election fraud etc. etc.: "Al Schmidt, the Republican city commissioner of Philadelphia, tells CNN's John Berman that the 2020 presidential election was the "most transparent and secure election" in the city's history, despite the spread of false voter fraud claims.
Voting fraud stuff is going nowhere. Biden will be installed as the President at the appropriate time specified in the Constitution. That's not to say that there are no instances of voting fraud, I'm sure there are and probably are in every election all the way down to dog catcher. But this election is not going to be overturned by some massive cache of Trump votes emerging or similar invalidation of Biden votes, enough to change anything.
Control of the Senate is now down to the 2 run off races in Georgia early January. Republicans sewed up the seat from Alaska today.
In the interim Trump is doing his best to cement his turbulent legacy as one of the worst presidents ever..... showing absolutely no class or grace in this time of transition and possibly sowing all kinds of trouble for Biden to overcome even when the nation is under seige by Covid-19 and doing worse with it every day. "President-elect Biden is likely to end up over 5 million votes ahead of Trump in the popular vote when all the counting is done. He'll get about or above 80 million votes -- by far the most of any presidential candidate in history. In the electoral college, Biden looks to be on his way to earning 306 electoral votes. That's about 57% of all the electoral votes available and will be good enough for a 74 electoral vote margin over the sitting President"