I stand by my contempt for Congress. When I see those self-important blowhards on TV I want puke. And I strongly believe that a lot of them either became wealthy or increased their wealth many times in Congress by what they did and did NOT do in legislative situations that greatly affect their constituents. Take away the prospect for lifetime employment and the unbelievable benefits and perks these bums routinely award themselves and you will quickly find out who your real civic minded servants are.
As opposed to who? Kennedy? Or my personel favorite John Kerry who made his millions the old fashioned way, he married the widow of a Republican. Real self-made winners there.
:roll: Romney's father was born dirt-poor in Mexico and rose to become the head of American Motors and governor of Michigan. He never graduated from college during the Great Depression, but went to work and fought his way to the top. Mitt Romney made his own fortune in several business ventures, which he founded, and eventually received a small check when his father passed away and gave that money to charity. George W. Bush has inherited nothing, because his father is still alive. He made his own money as owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team and contrary to lib/Dem propaganda, he LOST money in the oil business. There's a million other "American Dream" stories like these, but the message is clear... before you can have a class war, you have to have class...
So.....Mitt and W come from average American families and did not enjoy the benefits of being highly connected and funded during their childhood and early adult years. Wow.....ya coulda fooled me. :shock: Makes me feel sorry for the Bush twins......poor girls.....it must be tough.
As I said...no class. Making up things that I never said, then responding to things that you made up out of thin air, is not having a discussion. It's just verbal masturbation.
"Romney's father was born dirt-poor in Mexico and rose to become the head of American Motors and governor of Michigan. He never graduated from college during the Great Depression, but went to work and fought his way to the top. Mitt Romney made his own fortune in several business ventures, which he founded, and eventually received a small check when his father passed away and gave that money to charity. George W. Bush has inherited nothing, because his father is still alive. He made his own money as owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team and contrary to lib/Dem propaganda, he LOST money in the oil business. That number includes people like Mitt Romney and George W. Bush who were also self-made millionaires. That number includes people like Mitt Romney and George W. Bush who were also self-made millionaires." Jo'Co....really? What kind of swampland are you selling above? Seriously....I am to buy that Mitt Romney ( not his FATHER ) and W come from humble beginnings? They are just your average self-made man? WTF in America is going to buy that crap except for some very far right conservatives?
I never said that either one came from humble beginnings. You just made that up. I never said that G.W. Bush was an "innocent bystander" either. You make these things up, because they're easier to respond to than the point that was made. In the case of the latter statement, I actually said just the opposite; that Mr. Bush shared the blame for the Great Recession and other posters shared that view. Rather than participate in that conversation, you simply tried to put words in our mouths, then respond to those opinions as if we had said them. How are we supposed to comment on that? We're watching you argue with yourself...again.
SO....you feel that George W is like every average American in all aspects except that he is a completely self-made millionaire? Myself I do not believe he was even close to having an average uprbringing or that his wealth is self-made. That's just me......you believe whatever you feel like and the same goes for your beliefs on Romney. Mitt's got a long long way to go to convince average Middle class Americans that he can relate because of his "similar background" as theirs..... I go back to George Sr. fumbling and bumbling at the grocery store check-out price scanner in 1992 with a "what is this thing" quizzical "never seen that before" reaction to something average everyday Americans certainly were used to.....and all of that in the midst of a pretty significant recession. It was akin to Michael Dukakis wearing his helmet awkwardly sideways while sitting atop a tank while trying to show his military side..... 8)
So now your wealth is an issue in running for President? Washington was one of the wealthiest landowners in the colonies. Great Democratic champions such as FDR and Kennedy came from wealthy families. So did Al Gore. John Kerry had boodles of married money. And now all of a sudden it's an issue???? Why because some guy who went to college because of affirmative action (and who did so poorly that he refused to release his college transcript) is the Democratic incumbent and that is an issue. Every time you tell us we are somehow "brainwashed" by conservitive thought I laugh. It's pathetic.
In our society, people that have been able to build a track record of success have typically accumulated wealth.... What the Gator is suggesting is that we don't want anybody as Chief Executive that has evidenced a track record of success.....preferring instead to place someone in charge who has not experienced success. Brilliant......there is a reason those guys have no hope of addressing the challenges that we face, they're clueless, preferring instead a community organizer who by his continuous blame game is in effect admitting that he has no solutions....thanks Mr President, we know that
Dave, Your constant whining about others who you view as successful is embarrassing. Have a little pride in yourself.
Just hoping to get some politicians in there George that are more in touch with more Americans than we have had over the past few years. Someone suggested this current crop should have to pay for their own health insurance.....and that would be a real start.....an alarm clark going off that would be a huge wake-up call. Even millionaires would be appalled at the state of healthcare in America if they had to pay for it themselves.....instead of the taxpayers or before that....... ....wait for it........their daddys! :wink: fyi...."nice" track record: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romneys-record-in-the-real-economy/2011/08/25/gIQArbGM2J_story.html
Dear God! Really Dave???? Really??? That's all you got??? A rehash article from September, 2011 criticizing private equity firms??? Calling them "job cutters"!\ Come out into the light, man...this debate was lost weeks ago by your side...Even your Democrat heroes have come out and admitted that private equity firms boost firms, provide funds for upstart companies, help struggling companies repair themselves, and in net total provide and protect jobs. Yeah, in the process a few positions will be discontinued and a few companies won't make it....thus the anectodal anti-Bain ads.
That's definitely not the flavor of the argument here in Florida Stu. The most prevalent ad campaign against Romney for the past several weeks running is centered on Bain Capital and how it took away jobs to benefit the coffers with profit of very few individuals. In the ads real people.....who lost real jobs are doing the narrative. As one 60ish caucasian lady trembles and shakes she says.....haltingly that ...when...Romney and Bain capital....closed down her plant and she lost her health insurance...he....made......tremble shake....well....he made her sick. Very effective ad.......you should see it. Damn...I just had a brilliant idea come to me in a refute of the above ad that would be sure to lock up the votes of a few thousand speculative....insider wealthy investors. You could have some shirtless fat old men... half bald... wrapped in towels sitting in the men's locker room of the country club and one man could put down his cigar to utter: "when Mitt Romney and Bain Capital shut down that old broad's plant.....he....well.....he made me rich!!" ....awesome! :lol:
The real clincher is that there really are lib/dems that believe that the economy would be better of without PE firms and that they add no value.....there is just no understanding of the role PE firms play in our economy and of course they only focus their attention on their efforts to resuscitate dying companies and reducing bloated cost structures in an effort to make them competitive. Clueless is the only thing that comes to mind.....they are simply preying on ignorance
Full disclosure BT of who exactly benefitted and by how much vs. who got hurt and by how much would kill this debate. Whaddya think?
Where would Apple be if they hadn't found a venture capitalist, or Microsoft? On one of my Texas sites the libs there call them vulture capitalists, they fail to understand it takes money to get things going always has, the vehicle might be different but the concept is the same, that is those who have excess capital search for ways to make it work, those who have ideas and no capital search for those with capital.