UM NCAA Investigation.

They have to, Terry. The months of January through March each year are always scheduled for dealing with new violations by FSU. :lol:

 

Let me see, after reading what a fine upstanding citizen and honest person Sharpe is let me say again that I predict that either nothing comes of this or it's a very minor slap on the hand.

I will take Bobda's word to anyone else as to what kind of a fit RR is at Michigan. If he doesn't think he's a fit I'll buy in, I don't think much of anyone else here understands Michigan quite as well as he does.

 

If he doesn't fit....he must.....uh.....quit..

 

Very funny, MCG! Seems you and I are the only ones on this topic with a sense of humor. :lol:

 

GB,

I may be the only Michigan fan who likes both Lloyd and RR so I may not have a great feel for the mood of the Michigan fandom.

I do have a soft spot in my heart for Florida. Prior to Urban's hiring, my poor Wolverines were the Great Satan of SB for the Irish SB contingent, to borrow Terry's word, "tweaked" us for refusing to schedule ND for decades because of anti Catholic bigotry; treating African American players as crypto slaves; being chronic whiners after a loss by refusing to acknowledge the merits of the winning team but, instead, blaming defeats on sinister celestial alignments or, even more dastardly, crooked refs; wanting, via the evil machinations of Carr, after scheduling ND, to drop them from our schedule, being ingrates by refusing to join the BCS; being jerks for joining the BCS and diminishing the Rose Bowl; evilly blocking ND from joining the B10 in the early days of the conference; being even more evil for later wanting ND to join the B10; habitual unethical recruiting by Carr who, for some strange reason, was also past president of the CFA coaches. And our fan base was composed of elitist snobs, Communists, Al Qaeda sympathizers, sodimites, hooligans, and the real kidnapper of Lindberg's baby. Our stadium was a large, antiquated sinkhole and our state an even larger and antiquated shithole primarily populated by welfare cheats or lazy UAW slugs looking for a handout,

But, since Urban decided to live in Gainesville rather than South Bend, some of this "treaking" love has moved south as can be seen by the fact that any topic about the Gators is usually the topic involving the highest number of postings. The criticism of Michigan is far more muted-our already corrupt program is only slightly more corrupt run by a hick who is running roughshod over NCAA rules. And in our spare time, we engineered a conspiracy with a cabal of B10 refs to deprive Notre Dame of its rightful victory in Ann Arbor.

After being tweaked like this in the ass for more than a decade, you would have thought someone would have left a chocolate under my pillow...

 

Well as usual I am late to the party...I am just happy its not my UM folks are talking about.. :wink:

 

I don't know. Why not ask some of the local media who cover M athletics like......Drew Sharp. Oh, no, don't bother, I've read what he said about Rush so he obviously doesn't know about it.

 

Bobda, there is a small contingent of Notre Dame fans who have always knocked Florida, probably not as big as the contingent that piled on you.

In the 90's we were the biggest cheaters on the planet, never mind we haven't had a problem with the NCAA for going on 20 years.

Our scheduling practices are unfair to college football at large, never mind that the one out of conference team we schedule every year has the second most wins in the country since 1990. In fact they had the highest winning percentage until we replaced them last year.

Of course there are some other fans that tend to believe that all other schools should be like theirs and really don't see much merit in the other guys practices.

But hey they are a minority and as I said above, but I do feel your pain.

Smiles for George so that he can see our sense of humor.

:wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

 

Let's get this straight, there are certain NCAA rules about how many hours a week that teams can require players to spend practicing and preparing for games. Some teams play by the rules. They expect their opponents to do likewise.
If some teams are cheating, breaking the rules and get caught, screw 'em. And they can take that "everybody does it" crap and shove it.

 

Now I never believed UM was responsible for Lindbergs baby!

 

It’s a pun!’ the King added in an offended tone, and everybody laughed, ‘Let the jury consider their verdict,’ the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

‘No, no!’ said the Queen. ‘Sentence first—verdict afterwards.’

 

Damn Alice in Wonderland reference... You're good! Must have been the Jesuits!

 

[quot "gipper" Let's get this straight, there are certain NCAA rules about how many hours a week that teams can require players to spend practicing and preparing for games. Some teams play by the rules. They expect their opponents to do likewise.
If some teams are cheating, breaking the rules and get caught, screw 'em. And they can take that "everybody does it" crap and shove it.[/quote]

Well let's get this straight also gipper. It says required, however almost all schools, and I would bet even lily white Notre Dame, have voluntary workouts and they are not illegal. Like a lot of coaches have said, the workouts are voluntary but whether you start or not is my choice, or something along those lines.

But since you seem to care so much about it why don't you check with Notre Dame to see what they do, that seems to be the standard sometimes.

 

Bobda is a wonder where he can come up with all this stuff isn't he Terry.

 

It's too late for us to ever agin be cordial, O'Keefe. My dog is mad at you
for making fun of his weight; my wife is mad at you because of your highfallutin jibes about ND scheduling the Broncos; and now your latest drive by on my Wolverines. You have irrevocably severed the bonds of comity that previously existed between us.

Next SB outing I'm at, I'll gladly serve as chauffeur for Stu and Bill and any family memebers that join them from hotel to bar to ballpark to hotel and not even get lost this time. But, you'll never see the inside of my rented Kia SUV...

Signed,

No More Mr. Michigan Nice Guy,

 

Bill
Thanks for your periodic sermon. Now let's look at what may have happened at Michigan.
RR came in and told his team what his expectations were. M's top O lineman apparently felt that it was unacceptable and Justin Boren transfered to OSU. He wasn't the only one to leave.
The reports in the Free Press article were that players were expected to spend 12-16 hrs the day following a game in meetings, conditioning and films. (teams are I believe limited to 20 hrs. a week for practices etc.) Players who probably were recruited with "you don't want to go to a school like ND with no social life" quickly found out that although there might be a social life at M, it wasn't available to football players. These freshmen and others complained to their parents and eventually it hit the media.
The question isn't about voluntary workouts Bill it's kids spending many more hours a week during the season in films and practice. It was so bad that players complained.
So far we've had the OSU coach, OSU fans and UF fans supporting this kind of rule violations. I'm not surprised. I recall an OSU player Robert Smith quitting the team there because it did not support the academics of the players.
I don't recall it happening at Florida. Then again we're talking about academics.
I checked with ND and they said they "ignor posts by UF fans."

 

So, let's see if I got this "straight". Bill writes that Michigan's practices might not be uncommon. In response, you point to Drew Sharpe's claim that the NCAA letter of inquiry mentions coaches at practices, By pointing that out, I thought that what you were trying to say is that the document substantiates that what Michigan was doing was not common (and presumably law abiding) but illegal. But, when asked if the letter of inquiry provides facts documenting a probable violation of a specific rule, your answer is, "I don't know."

If we violated NCAA rules we deserve whatever punishment the NCAA deems appropriate. It just seems that some have already deleted the word "if" from the question about guilt, replacing it with the answer "yes" before any form of adjudication has taken place.

 

Well Gipper, maybe in your mind what I had to say is my periodic sermon. Well big deal.

Now tell us something with all your sources, tell me how Notre Dame handles off seasoning conditioning? I mean after all your periodic sermons seem to frequently be around what Notre Dame does.

So enlighten us.

 

What was I thinkin'...I should have stepped away from the keyboard and put down the Irish Whisky!

 

Quite frankly I couldn't care less what Bill writes because he as usual tries to relate the situation to Fla.
The allegations as I understand it involve both off season "voluntary" workouts and hours spent during the season. According to Sharp who may know the contents of the NCAA letter (then again maybe not) one of the points was that coaches were at the voluntary off season work outs. (I think that this is in violation of NCAA rules but maybe that rule doesn't apply in Fla.)
Then there were the complaints by players about the hours per week that they were expected to practice, review films, undergo conditioning etc. during the season which may have greatly exceeded NCAA rules. (Maybe even in Fla.)
It was bad enough that more than a few players complained about the routine according to the original press reports.
That's all I know.
Hey maybe the Michigan team if full of pansies and liars. That would be one explaination.