osu <t>Well this thing is getting worse by the minute. the SI article really appears to show a real of lack of control on OSU's part and it's much deeper than Tressel himself. Up till now I thought OSU might get off with just firing Tressel but no way. There are probably gonna be some serious penalties placed on OSU when all of this stuff is finally out in the open. <br/> <br/> I'm not a OSU fan but I hate to see this happen at just about(there are exceptions) any school. I don't think Tressel is a bad guy either. Just got caught up in the thing and made some bad decisions that I'm sure he wishes he could do over.</t>
Of course there is more.....it's just not quite as popular for the media to send out its armies in search of info that may be supportive of the latest villain. It is what it is, and it was self-inflicted to be certain.....I just never would have imagined it to be mortal....... We will go on with great sadness and strong conviction that a good man just got trashed and the collective integrity of the college football coaching ranks just took a material hit.....
I have read that they are investigating 50 cars sold to OSU players over the past few years by a Columbus dealership. That kind of stuff would make me nervous as hell if it were UF. Good luck with that.
"His integrity was one of the great myths of college football." http://www.thenation.com/blog/161042/ncaa-and-jim-tressel-giving-eric-cartman-moral-high-ground
Re: SI Article. George Dohrman is a Notre Dame grad, class of '95. He was the sports editor of the campus newspaper, The Observer, in his senior year. I believe he won a pulitzer prize about 10 or so years ago while with the L.A. Times for an expose of some type of scandal in college sports, but I can't recall the details.
Dave, I'm not good at reading between the lines for posted info, I'm really good at hearing and reading into it when it's in person......you're not enjoying this are you?
I find it interesting the difference between how it ended for Jim Tressel and for Pete Carroll. I have no doubt that what ever JT has done is small potatoes compared to the things that Pete orchestrated at USC. Yet Pete saw that train bearing down on him and made the move to the NFL and escaped NCAA scrutiny and sanctions.
Frankly......no. The only team I ever enjoyed see get the NCAA shaft was Michigan and that was because I caught so much ******** grief from the haughty Michigan fans in SE Michigan during the late 80s and early 90s. They thought they were beyond reproach.....untouchable and we know how that turned out.
" Pretty strong indictment of a mans character coming from a writer who gave little effort to being objective in the piece....I suspect that those that knew him best and knew him longest would strongly disagree.
I have to ask this since Luke Fickell has been a player and a coach for the Buckeyes for a long time. What did he know and when did he know it? Is it possible to be associated with a program as long as Luke has been and not know anything?
Good question. As I said....the car thing bothers me a lot. If you're the coach and you see your players showing up for practice in brand new automobiles....let's face it too they are all expensive.....aren't you.....shouldn't you want to know every detail about how it was purchased and paid for by that player? Maybe it is cut and dried simple and OSU or the player has no idenitifiable misdeed with the car issue. Every new development has it's consequences for OSU at this point. A lot of what Urban might do after this season is determined in part I think by how much this whole thing drags down the Buckeye program. He doesn't have the need or the stress tolerance to try and pump up a program that could get chopped down by the NCAA.
I post because it's unlikely you'll see it in SI.....Ray Isaac the player in question at Youngstown St apparently taking exception to the level of accuracy in the SI article......damn him if you must on the basis of the facts, but there is no reason to make sh!t up and use it to dump on a good man......it's just crazy. http://deadspin.com/5807082/
We are talking about the same Ray Isaac that was taking money in the thousands from Monus? The same Ray Isaac that was in large part responsible for Youngstown St. getting investigated by the NCAA and suffered through self imposed penalties? The same Isaac that plead guilty to attempting to bribe a juror? He's not my first choice as a character witness for anyone.
...same guy Gip and Monus would confirm. The writer chose to reference him as a source for damning evidence against Tress, but unfortunately forgot to talk to him.....you can choose who you wish to believe but only Isaac and Monus were present and both speak a different tune than the writer.....so that of course makes the writers version more credible? Nonsense..... I guess then when you have not evidenced yourself to be more credible than Isaac, you have done something significant.....
Ha! Stu they couldn't be talking about me, I'm too busy helping Saban sign our 45 5 star recruits for our next class to be hating! :wink: I did speak from experience though when I said that a program is in trouble the minute the NCAA investigators show up. Everything is on the table for them and the sour grapes start coming out of the woodwork to lay out every dirty detail they can. Early on this looked bad, at least from the outside. :cry:
:idea: It certainly looks like Ohio State has been running a corrupt program for a long time. This isn't about a few players making a mistake. This is about a system of payoffs, that the coach was involved in, that go back almost ten years. The fact that he was lying and covering up is NOT the big problem here. It was the lying and covering up that led to discovery of the corrupt system of payoffs. This is only the beginning. It will get much worse from here. The AD should resign immediately. This smells like USC. Everybody knew what was going on.
:shock: I guess tatoos have come a long way......not even Evel Knievel would have attempted such a leap.
Ya know, I'm still trying to figure out how they twisted Ray Small's interview. And I went back and reread the article. Only a small portion is direct quotes from Isaac. Here they are: You really think that they made up the texting psalms stuff???