Wow! So he failed to report the violations because he was afraid that the tattoo parlor owner would hurt his players? Wow! :shock:
I think what Terry is saying is that he was more concerned about his players hanging out with a bad crowd that was under FBI investigation than he was worried about NCAA violations for selling gold pants charms. He certainly owed it to his superiors to have told them but apparently he didn't. Don't know if that was the case but the man deserves a chance to present his case to the NCAA before we let the OSU haters hang him.
Probably not a team out there that doesn't have haters. Heck....UF's monicker for those types even rhymes: "Gator Haters"
First, it's not as if the violations were secret....they were already in the public domain, evidence in a federal drug and tax evasion investigation. I find it difficult to believe that Tressel concluded that he could gain some competitive advantage by "hiding" that which is already in the hands of the authorities. Second, the owner was a convicted felon, known drug trafficker, state witness in one drug-related murder with suspected involvement in others, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that the man may is not averse to violence especially if there are suspiscions that he got ratted out somehow and is headed back to federal prison .....if there is a man who isn't concerned about the safety of his players under similar circumstances, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my program........ So yes, the man does deserve his day to explain the reasons for his actions prior to his execution....I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that there are extenuating circumstances in this case, but I understand that others for reasons of their own may believe otherwise.....
That all may be true, BT, but if T though his players were at risk, why would he not inform university officials of that risk and the reasons for his concern so that protective measures could be taken? Phone records reveal that he, after receiving the info about the tattoo parlor, talked to Pryor’s mentor and a former FBI agent with whom he was acquainted. It would seem that a university official in possession of information concerning the possible risk of violence faced by a student would discuss this with other university officials such as the head of university security, the AD, and given the high profile nature of the students and the circumstances of why the risk is present, those ultimately responsible for running the university. I agree with your larger point that we do not know all the facts and take no joy in what is going on since I consider the Bucks fans on this board as friends and have had a grudging admiration of Tressel probably akin to that held 150 years or so ago by some union loyalists for Robert E. Lee when he was whipping up on a series of union generals.
LOL.....I can relate to that in my admiration and respect for that sumbeech Vince Dooley. Hell I even respect his son at Tennessee just because the kid has the same last name......
Bobda, agree on all points and hence my position that he made material errors in judgement, having said that with the logic of time, hindsight and the intellectual dispassion on my side.....under the gun with the emotional attachment of a surrogate father in such an instance I suspect emotions can play a role the likes of which is difficult for you and I to fully appreciate..... On a related note to the matter and one that provides some support to the above view, I find it hard to imagine that given the evidence in question was in the hands of the authorities, that by not providing the evidence to the authorities, he thought it likely that he could gain some competitive advantage by not providing them with things that they already had......? In any event, given the man, his track record and the circumstances and the info as we know it today, I can't conceive of a scenario under which I can't give him the benefit of the doubt and give him his day in court.....
No Stu, I think you forget what I went through a couple of years ago when Alabama was in trouble. The OSU coach admitted to lying to the NCAA. What do you think some of the folks on here would say if this was ANY coach from the SEC. Tressel has admitted he lied. Do you REALLY believe all of this stuff about being afraid of the tattoo parlor owner? What did you think about the Bruce Perl situation at Tennessee? I know that the OSU folks were not on here defending him. I know you and BT are very sensitive about this but man, Tressel has admitted he lied!
Frankly I have a difficult time creating a scenario in which any rational human being would NOT be concerned about a convicted felon with a prior history of violent crime currently under federal investigation for drug trafficking amongst other things under threat of going to federal prison again....under what circumstances would that NOT be a concern to you? As it relates to the Pearl case, I see huge differences in the fact pattern between the two....if those differences are not evident to you, there is nothing I can say on here that will convince you otherwise and it would be useless for me to attempt - just listen to Finebaum, he'll have all the facts.....we'll just wait till the hearings in August.
Oh wait, I thought he didn't want to interfere with a FBI investigation? It's always different when it's your team (or coach) that is guilty. It's ok y'all I'm out. I don't want to be accused of picking on you again. :?
Phil Fulmer is still valiantly holding on to his struggle to remain available! :twisted: Sorry... couldn't resist.
You really don't see the difference, do you? You also didn't see the OSU folks on here criticizing him or saying he was a liar and should go. I knew very little about the Bruce Pearl situation... But I would have figured he deserved a fair shot and a chance to lay his case out in front of the NCAA. I'm really not that sensitive about it...I don't care that much what all the bashers want to think. But I don't think it's fair to accuse us of a double standard...we haven't asked for any special treatment.
:roll: Coach has stated both reasons in his public comments as to why he was hesitant to come forward prior to the completion of the investigation as well as the request for confidentiality.....help me understand how having multiple reasons for taking a course of action makes the action and rationale for it less valid? It would seem to me to be quite the opposite.....