Sorry guys, I just figured your were being defensive. Hmmm.... I guess with all the other "bickering" that's gone on lately I just expected to be taken that way. My bad!
What bullsh!t......those sour grapes are quite unbecoming. I don't have a problem with anybody rooting for their guy, but to suggest that Troy is unworthy in spite of great performances in the biggest of games is absolutely foolish. Great players do......but the greatest players perform consistently at such a level that they don't have to..... 8) In truth, this might be the single most lopsided vote in the history of the award....if not, it surely will be on the short list of greatest margins of victory.
Stuff the sour grapes. Quinn could have thrown for 100 TDs this year and he still would have been on the outside. He's been playing against a stack deck all year. Gino Toretta and Weurffel were championship QBs too. If as you indicate comparing them to Smith indicated that he's unworthy, then you must think that they were. In April, Brady will be judged on his talent and ability. He'll do just fine. No politics, no bias, just talent and ability.
Brady's problem this year was that he was the Heisman leader going into the season it was his to lose, and he had a shaky start vs Ga.Tech and then the Michigan game. If he hadn't had those two games he would be the leader at this point. It was the same for Peyton Manning his Sr. year, he had a great year that year...except for one game...a bad game vs the Gators. That was it for him and probably the most unworthy Heisman winner ever slipped in and beat him...he was robbed.
Brady completed over60% of his passes and passed for 260 yds. vs Tech. with no ints. I'm sorry but that's not really a "shaky" start and if you check the winners stats he had plenty of games worse than that. And while Woodson may not have been the right choice he's played in the NFL for many years. As opposed to Ware, Toretta, Ward and others.
....no sour grapes? Just a stacked deck, politics and bias. What crap! You sound just like a whiny old crank who's upset that his guy didn't get the trophy and can't find the grace to admit there may be another candidate who earned the award simply on the strength of his performances on the field. You dismiss Smith's accomplishments and suggest that he was given the award as a result of a stacked deck, politics and bias....and that ain't sour grapes? I don't know where you've been all year but that's one helluva conspiracy theory. It's generally more plausible if they bear some relationship to the facts. You and MCG been drinking the same Kool-aid. What crap!
This whiny old crank knows that his guy broke just about every QB record at ND. And there have been some pretty good QBs there. He's thought by many to be the top pick in the draft this year. With those accomplishments and talent, he should have been given more consideration than he got. So I've got the guts to say it. I can take the lables you throw out. Bring it on.
:lol: With a stacked deck, bias and politics on my side, what's to bring? I mean, hell, it's not like Troy Smith did anything worthy all year. How could anybody possibly suggest he's a worthy recipient. I say let's let the vast conspiracy take it's course.....
Why are we arguing about Heisman trophys from 20 years ago? Brady's done a lot of great things this year, he's a great QB. But it's not like Troy Smith is a crappy QB. He's had a great year as well, his team is undefeated, and the aknowledged best team in the country at this point. Somebody has to win and somebody has to lose. There isn't a bogey man behind every Heisman voter. I don't remember you saying what crap it was last year when Reggie Bush won, while Vince Young almost single handedly carried his team to a Nat'l Championship....Reggie was pretty much just a cog in a terrific offensive machine, he had a cast around him. he wasn't even the full time TB, he sat on the bench a lot when they needed a power back. He wasn't even on the field when USC had to have a 1st down as the time ran out in the Rose Bowl. I just don't remember you calling out the ESPN hype machine back then.
For the last time, I never said Smith was a crappy QB, nor did I ever say he didn't have a fine season. I said that I thought that Quinn never had a fair chance. As to Bush and Young it's too bad that the award was given out before the Rose Bowl. Then his not being on the field then would have mattered. As it was, he was on the field in South Bend and did a great job doing in the Irish with his legs and his arms. Bush was a special RB. Apparently only the people in Houston don't see it that way.
You're right, people in Houston and Texas in general knew that Vince was the best player in college football, without him Texas was a good team, not a great team. Bush had another Heisman Trophy guy playing with him and another #1 draft pick playing in the backfield with him, and he had a real coach. According to you Mack can't coach so that was another thing Vince had to overcome. Brady was the odds on favorite to win before the season. But like Manning he slipped and, it gave Troy Smith the opportunity to slip by him with a big win on the Road against then #2 Texas. If Brady has a great game vs USC it'll end up being a very close vote, the difference will likely end up being that he had a bad game vs UM and his team lost....even though he didn't fumble a kickoff or a punt or play terrible pass defense. Just the way it is.
Doc I hope you know I was referring to the fact that the Texans didn't take Bush when all the talking heads had him the odds on favorite for first pick.