Ditka weighs in: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/mike-ditka-believes-tim-tebow-nfl-quarterback-easy-141553187.html
Dave, Buy a freeking team and employ your hero. Put your money on the line... not the money of present owners. It's easy to criticize when you have nothing to lose. You think of them as morons for not taking Timmy. This is your chance to become a millionaire... oh, wait... you would have to convince investors to think your way as well... Never mind.
Because statistics can be twisted and used to serve a variety of purposes without proper context. You point to the W/L total of a TEAM game. The Broncos were bad. They did what bad teams do, draft well, sign free agents and get better. You look at Tebow as the horizon, when if you look a bit further past it, you'll see they continued to get better WITHOUT HIM. The stats tell that story as well. It's just not the story you want to tell. His personal stats are simply not very good by any stretch of the imagination. He literally does not stack up against any viable QB in the NFL including 3rd stringers. You have to measure his individual contribution into the whole. You can't take the success of the whole and lay glory on one part. That is especially true when, as was the case in Denver, they literally dummied down the offense to try to limit the potential failures of the QB so they could rely solely on the defense and field position to win. How is that a QB who is winning? That's a stop gap. A band-aid. That doesn't cut it in the NFL. They went out and got better. Their record, and the stats of the QB position reflect that.
The Broncos... I repeat....immediately went from a record of 5-17 ( 1-4 in 2011 )... to a 7-4 team when Tebow started. Stop playing with the stats and explain that one. And I gave you earlier his stats by comparison to other young Qbs in their first 16 games and the only stat he doesn't hold up his end is completion percentage..... which of course then becomes the only stat worth discussing. You cannot discount the 17 -9 TD to int ratio and his 989 yards rushing for all those TDs and critical first downs. The team turned into an instant winner because of that production and leadership..... period.
Considering that the biggest change was the strength of the defense and the coaching staff, I think we'd need to start there. The previous year, the Broncos had 2 pro bowl players. One on offense and one (Champ Bailey) on defense. Their 1st round draft pick that year was a kid named Von Miller (the highest drafted LB since La'Var Arrington) from Texas A&M. He went on to a pro bowl season as a rookie. Let's not also forget about the return of probowl player Elvis Dumervil. He had a pro bowl season in 2009, but HE MISSED THE ENTIRE 2010 season due to injury. He returned in 2011 and had another probowl campaign. Now right there are 2 players in the 2011 season who were instrumental to the absolute strength of the team that were proven difference makers (not just some media totem) and bonafide reasons as to why that team was better in 2011. That season, the Broncos had 3 pro bowl players who were ALL ON DEFENSE. Champ Bailey, Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil. You keep acting as if the ONLY difference between the 2010 Broncos and the 2011 Broncos was Tebow and that is just not true at all. Not in any way shape or form is that true. That's a team that changed their entire football operations. They changed their coaching staff. The changed everything but the color of the uniforms. But you, and a few idol worshipers like to attribute it all to Tebow.. who was statistically awful and even the most die hard Tebow supporters admit the team dummied down the offense so as to keep him from losing the game for the defense. Yet, you think Tebow is the reason.. ****, I just gave you at least five different reasons. I didn't even cover the entire draft that year that was loaded toward defensive players and served the team well. You continue to ignore the fact that the team made front office changes, coaching changes and draft/personnel changes. The team over a 3 year period went from 4-12, to 8-8 to 13-3. You want to attribute that all to Tebow even though the team got substantially better in his absence.
In 2011 before Tebow the Broncos were 1-4..... whut happened? I know.... when Orton lost his job to a bad Qb everyone.... including the coaching staff... said hey... that could happen to me. Damn.... better straighten my ass up. Yeah... that's whut happened. Had nothing to do with all of those TDs Tebow was responsible for..... that horribly inept total of 660 something yards he ran for and all those first downs on crucial drives and the limited no. of fumbles and ints. :wink:
Guys... let it go... With Dave, you can't see the forest for the trees... It's not funny to poke at someone with his condition.
Mike Ditka? The guy who traded all of NO's 1999 picks and first and third picks in 2000 to get Ricky Williams? Who the F cares what that idiot thinks about a players potential?
the coach, and the new executives tossed Orton (deservedly) under the bus.. the player got the message.. Tebow gets the credit. The team's defense, one of the best in the NFL, gets better and better as the season goes on (you seem to ignore how young they are/were)... Tebow gets the credit.. Here's the thing.. If Tebow is the reason and gets all the credit, then where is his blame against the Patriots? You talk endlessly about their upset win (and it was an upset) over the Steelers that year but you always neglect to talk about the pounding they took in New England. Why? Why also do you ignore that they got better (much) the next year without him? I remember you hammered a lot of blame in their playoff loss at the time on Manning.. forget the fact they went 13-3. Forget the fact they lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion Ravens. Forget all that, you wanted to blame Manning without any reservation. you don't blame Tebow... ever. So let's swing the pendulum Dave style the other way and show you that Alabama rode Tebow right out of town, leaving him crying on the sidelines on their way to establishing a real dynasty.. not just a media manufactured dynasty.. then in the NFL, the media tried to make him a savior again only to see him driven off the field against the real best in the AFC. Where was Tebow when this Benghazi thing went down?
Hey... I posted a video of that ill-advised int that Manning threw vs. the Ravens to effectively end the game in OT. ( can you imagine the ridicule and shame if TEBOW had thrown that one? :lol: :lol: ) It's irefutably terrible..... and cost the Broncos the game. The up and down defense also should not have let that happen cause they folded like a cheap suit earlier.... something they didn't do as regularly in 2012 as they did in 2011 but still.... they did. Turning it around.... you like to think ( I guess ) that a team goes 1-4 and then switches the most important position ( QB ) on the team to actually go 8-4 (before the defense folded vs. the Patriots).... and that the new QB mysteriously has squat to do with such an amazing turnaround. I can see we are at an impassable impasse. :roll: :shock: 8)
Dave, You are letting emotion dictate business decisions here. There are 30 teams in the NFL and nbody seems interested.
Just making the point George that this ain't normal business..... Yes... today you probably saw where the Jets may trade Sanchez because after two days they just "love" the way Geno Smith throws the ball to WRs in shorts. Never mind they really don't have a clue if he will **** his pants when a couple of fire breathing NFL DLs are bearing down on his ass..... or that a changing NFL defense looks like an extreme jigsaw puzzle. I have come to realize that with the Jets especially and maybe all across the NFL winning games doesn't mean squat in comparison to throwing a pretty ball on media days. :lol: :shock:
No conspiracy afoot George..... just a bunch of GMs and coaches who don't want the hassle of Tebow. His upside obviously does not supercede his downside and that seems to be the bottom line. Did he perform well enough to merit a chance somewhere.... hell yes. Did he perform well enough for a GM to bring him in and deal with all of the hoopla and media frenzy/distractions?? Apparently not. Hence.... the enigma continues.... and it's not business as usual..... but it's business as the NFL types seem to want to conduct it...... and they have that final say so no doubt.
They might put up with the hassle if he could pass the football up to NFL standards or they didn't have to put in a whole new offense just for him.
sometimes, there is addition by subtraction. From all indicators within the locker rooms, Kyle Orton is a dick. I don't think they just threw him under the bus. I think they enjoyed throwing him under the bus and the team was better for it.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9304223/chuck-norris-lauds-tim-tebow-urges-jacksonville-jaguars-sign-him Chuck Norris says let there be Tebow.... :wink: