A lot can change in the next couple of weeks as we all know. There definitely is a chance for 2 loss teams to sneak in at this point if some of the 9-1 teams who are in right now get a second loss. I am surprised though that Michigan didn't have to pay for losing to a 24 point underdog on the road. In fact none of the undefeated teams who lost last weekend fell very much at all, Clemson still in the top 4 and Washington right outside.
Terry, I agree. A couple of years ago, people were arguing against 1 loss conference champions. Now a 2 loss team should be considered???? Where are the Boise State defenders? :lol:
To me the interesting situation to watch is the B1G. Last year MSU beat Ohio State and then went on to win the B1G Championship. They got the nod over Ohio State for the Playoffs, Ohio State probably was the better team even though MSU had a very good season. MSU then was destroyed in the playoffs. This year if Penn State wins out, will they jump ahead of the Buckeyes who they beat? I wonder. I think esp in the Penn State case they are not the better team in spite of the upset win. So will the CFP committee who is on record as valuing that 13th data point (Conf Champ Games) give the edge to PSU if they win out? Hard to make a case for Wisc since they were defeated by Ohio State. Now Mich can clear all this up by winning out, they would be the B1G rep in the CFP. The B12 is interesting because OU has recovered from a terrible start and has a shot at being an undefeated Conf champion and by virtue of their position could slip into the top 4 with big wins at WVU and vs a highly ranked Ok State team to finish the season. For them they need big impressive wins, much like Ohio State had 2 years ago when they finished with a huge 59-0 rout of a respected Wisc team.
I absolutely cannot see a two loss team getting in the CFP without also winning it's conference championship.
If I remember correctly there were some who thought an undefefeated Boise State deserve a shot at the BCS over a once defeated Alabama a few years ago? Now a 2 loss Big 12 Champion being considered? Interesting!
Well I don't think it's likely that a 2 loss B12 Champion (Oklahoma) will make it but things could fall that way, they would have to finish with a flourish like Ohio State did in 2014. Beating a #14 ranked WVU in Morgantown on a Sat night 59-0 and then doing the same to #11 ranked Ok Sate could vault them up if those in front of them suffer upsets.
Terry I happen to agree with you, that in certain circumstances a 2 loss team may be one of the 4 best. I just remember a lot of ugly remarks when Alabama had one loss, didn't go to the SECCG and still got selected for the BCS Championship game. It's funny sometimes, that's all. :?
Well speaking for myself only, but I likely was one of those people and my opinion was rooted mainly in being tired of the SEC winning so many Nat'l Championships and not wanting to have 2 SEC teams in the final 4. So I wasn't really thinking analytically about who are the best 4 teams.
Kp, I did not realize you possess such a vivid memory. I will try and be careful what I post in the future! :lol:
Don, Ha, well, Corey and I got in a couple of fairly intense discussions about this and being the only Alabama fan on here can leave one with some pretty significant "memories". Truthfully though, the sports discussions on this site are pretty interesting and have been going on for several years so they never seem to really die. I've always said that most air traffic controllers have a photographic memory but it only last for about 30 seconds, I guess some of us remember some things for a little bit longer. 8)
Hey here I am My position regarding Boise was that nothing they ever did, or could possibly have done, was ever considered good enough. They were told to pull a rope and prove themselves, but what they didn't know is that the rope had no end. How many times did Boise have to accept an undefeated season or championship caliber season, that they'd have to schedule off in the future to prove their worth for future consideration? Then, they'd prove it and they still would be discounted.. And it wasn't just Boise. There was the matter of an undefeated Utah that was passed over who absolutely kicked the crap out of Alabama in the Sugar Bowl in a game where the score was not indicative of how bad a beating Utah put on them. The end result was this crazy shake up that we have now. The Big12 and the SEC sat in a bully pulpit dictating that everyone go to a Super Conference format and play a championship game. So even though conferences like the Pac10 had a true champion proven on the field, they were discounted because they didn't play in a super conference format with a championship game. I have absolutely no sympathy for the Big 12 now. They are living in a world that they helped create/mold. They are now trying to peel back the case to be made for championship contention. They can suck it up and go super conference like everyone else did (which is what I was told the Pac10 teams could do for all those years), or they can live with an undefeated Western Michigan being taken ahead of them. IMHO... BTW, how's the house going KP??
There you are Corey, I thought you were being unusually quiet. So what do you think about a 2 loss Michigan, or a 2 loss Ohio State or a 2 loss Washington possibly being in the CFP over an undefeated Western Michigan? The house is about 2 weeks from being finished and hopefully we will be moved in in 3 weeks. I will still work in Huntsville till early February but my wife will be down there and I will commute on weekends.
I can see a 1 loss team maybe ahead of Western Michigan, depending on circumstances, but not a 2 loss team. The year everyone wound up with 2 losses (2007) and LSU won the title, you had 1 loss Hawaii and 1 loss Kansas, but it's still important to note that they lost. The only thing Western Michigan has going for it now is that they are unbeaten. If they lose, they are out. So what you're saying is that things are quiet during the week? Will you be working remotely after the move or are you taking a position down there?
I can't see any circumstance this year for a Group of 5 team to make the CFP and I don't care if WMU goes undefeated they don't belong. There are five 9-1 teams for 3 spots. Either OSU or UM will be out after Thanksgiving. That leaves 4 for 3 spots. if 2 of those 4 teams lose that brings a 2 loss team into play for that 4th spot. If only 1 of those 4 teams loses then It'll be Alabama + the three 9-1 teams. If none lose then you'd potentially have 2 non-conf champion teams at 1 loss. If it's Ohio State and Louisville then I think Ohio State will get in, if it's only Louisville (UM winning at Ohio State and being the B1G Champion ..maybe) Then they will be the odd man out. If the 4 9-1 teams right now all end up with another loss...oh boy..
It will be quiet during the week for the next 2 months and after that I will be retired and hopefully working on the land and maybe a little for my son-in-law but mostly golfing, biking and kayaking. :lol:
KP, Nice!! Terry, Louisville's schedule sucks and it took a big hit with Houston now being a 2 loss team that won't win their division, let alone their conference. They lost to Clemson and their 'hat hanging' moment came against a 3 loss Florida State team. Make fun of Western Michigan all you want. Granted, they are hanging their hat on beating 2 B1G teams (Northwestern and Illinois), but what part of the remaining Louisville schedule (Charlotte, Syracuse, Marshall, Duke, NC State, Virginia, Boston College and Wake Forest) impressed that much more? They'll finish up with a runner up in the AAC West Houston and Kentucky from the absolutely atrocious SEC East. They'll hammer both teams, or should. Unbeaten conference champion has got to stand for something, otherwise we're back to the BCS days of the TMZ style bowl selection for champions. This, of course, all goes away if we go to an 8 team playoff which is where we really belong. We're just wasting our time until that happens.
The only problem with this Corey is that I don't think WMU plays anyone in the top 25, do they? Being undefeated is impressive in any case but there would be a lot more undefeated teams if they played NO ranked teams.