Today was just sickening. I had to ditch my ND hoodie for a Packers hoodie at the game watch. That's the first time since I moved, or any time for that matter, that I had to remove my ND gear to just stop the "madness." The "madness" were SEC fans of good intention who wanted to talk about nothing but 'the call' and how it was terrible. I even tried conceding that it may well have been OPI just to drop it so we could watch the game, when one well meaning Tide fan said 'Oh, you haven't seen the stills?" And the truth is, I had not seen the stills. They are of the same camera angle that ESPN uses and they clearly show, as I mentioned before, that the FSU DB initiated the contact and continued to pull on #20 (CJ Procise) to the point that you can clearly see his jersey stretched. Procise was running a rub route, but from the pictures it seems pretty clear that he was getting pulled down and forward, ergo the appearance of throwing a block. It just pissed me off even more. We've seen this **** before. Just move onto Navy and win out.. maybe hope for a little November tragic magic to the rest of the top 5. As KP mentioned, we had other chances in this game. We didn't make many mistakes but there were a small handful and if those plays would have been taken care of, then perhaps this wouldn't have come down to that. Believe it or not, the OPI call isn't the thing that pissed me off the most. What angered me was the lack of holding calls (those of you who follow me on Facebook probably saw the post I made joking about it in the 3rd quarter.) We absolutely mauled their offensive line all night long. It wasn't 1 or 2 guys. We were pouring in and beating their ass on play after play. If you watch the replay of even our highlight plays, if you look away from the guy chasing Winston or making the tackle, you'll see player after player with Nole OL dragging them down or with jerseys stretched out in desperation. Florida State was not called for holding until their final 3rd down play (the 3rd and long from their 1 in which we declined because the play was well short of the 1st down. But we all knew what we were getting into and it's our fault we left this game in a position to be decided by ******** like that. Let's hope we learn from it.
TOK, If I were a ND fan, I would be livid over the call which, as I tried to say in my last comment, was questionable at best. ND outplayed and outcoached FSU last night and was the better team.
For the record, I agree that it probably should not have been called, but technically it was at least questionable.
ND <r>The call sucked, it just sucked. <br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> I could not agree more. <br/> <br/> We beat these bastards in their own house and we get robbed of the victory. <br/> <br/> God I hope we get to play these SOBs again this year.</r>
The call does suck...especially at that point of the game. But as I said I saw Spurrier's offense called for it on numerous occasions and mostly on designed plays and many times TDs were called back because of the call. That said if it was an ACC crew I don't trust those bastards either. And neither does Kelly: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/19/7005349/notre-dame-florida-state-brian-kelly-comments-pass-interference Gotta go with BK on this one. After the Swindle in the Swamp I'll never trust ACC officiating to be honest on their calls when FSU is involved. They're crooks.
We go into Tally a double digit underdog, outplay FSU make a winning play at the end and get screwed and some folks say we should have done more. WTF!
It is a bitter pill to swallow gip. And I some what agree with Kelly that you take care of business and put teams away. But in reality a lot of games come down to the last drive/last play, not just the ND/FSU game. Hell that win over Stanford this year was 4th down and if we don't make the play we lose. 2012 came down to the last play, Stanford folks still say that they scored and beat us. This past weekend alone Texas beat Iowa State on the last play, OU lost to KState on the last play. 2 weeks ago, in the Baylor/TCU game TCU on 4th down made a throw that IMHO could have been pass interference on Baylor but no call. Talking heads said at the time...good no call, lets the kids decide the game. But when Baylor got the ball they had a mirror image play and the refs decided to step in and make the call against TCU if not for that call the game goes to OT and maybe TCU wins. Instead Baylor kicks the wining FG as time runs out. Maybe the most controversial call in Big Game History was the PI on Miami in the 2003 BCS Championship game vs Ohio State. I doubt if Gonzo is over that one yet.
Hey speaking of the Call....Don Denkinger says he was wrong and wished they had had replay back then. He has no excuse though for Joqauin Andujar's performance in game 7. http://www.dailyrecord.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/10/19/world-series-don-denkingers-miss-recalled-world-series-returns-kansas-city/17594285/
Joe Schmidt IV @joeschmidtiv Follow "You provide the effort, God controls the outcome." This team gave it all, and I love each and every one of them. Back to work. 🍀 12:40 AM - 19 Oct 2014
What a great attitude. That kid is really a ball player. Does he have any eligibility left after this year?
I've already stated my opinion of "the call." My son, who was a WR in college, confirmed the description that the ACC official gives below. My son said that when he was there every WR knew the rule about engagement and was taught to avoid being called for it. I'm guessing that our coaches also teach the WRs to avoid any appearance of intentional engagement, hence Kelly's comment that they were doing what they are coached to do. Unfortunately, in that instance, the quarters were too tight and the play developed too quickly to make it look unintentional. I don't expect this to change the minds of those who are upset, but I'm comfortable with the explanation. Yes, it sucks, but it's time to move on. <script height="371px" width="660px" src="http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.js#pbid=eb3c76324107460599b10db3d4feefad&ec=1iN203cTqx0pNGEvKQeO92Parp2_-rwV"></script>
Nice explanation of the rule. Now how come the crook doesn't confirm that the call was correct? And while he was at it why doesn't he tell us about the rule against taking off one's helmet and why the ACC officials not calling it was correct.
OK...I'm addicted to being vindicated... Again, no matter how many of these are posted or how many people say we got jobbed..we still lost. I'm trying to move on kp, honest I am!! http://www.wsbt.com/sports/a-new-look-at-that-controversial-call-during-nd-vs-fsu/29232562
Could someone forward that the ESPN crew who did the game. It discusses the player who the foul was called on and shows what really happened.
I have to admit that the WSBT video shows an entirely different angle. However, like Terry, I refuse to succumb to complaining after the fact. It's over, and, also like Terry, I'm really trying to move on.
I could envision an SEC Champ seeded no. 1, FSU #2, ND #3 and a one loss SEC team #4 with a mad as hell one loss Big Ten at #5 on the outside looking in. Then ND would replay FSU in the semifinal game and that would be fun to watch...
Colin Cowherd at ESPN at least watched the entire game. In his persoanl rankings he has us at #5, ahead of FSU. His rationale is that we pounded the hell out of them for four quarters. he thinks we have the better team and so do I.
Dude, people are so mad about this who hate Notre Dame. What was originally annoying is now kind of funny. The reality is that these type of clusterf*ck calls happen every few years in the game and really hurt someone. It was our turn. At least we are playing in games of this magnitude. At the same time, I am a bit disturbed at the announcers who seemed determined to control the narrative of what was happening? Maybe it's just my selective memory, but I seem to remember HOF greats like Keith Jackson, Howard Cosell and Vin Scully letting the action do the talking for them. I also seem to remember those guys admitting to not knowing what the hell was going on when things seemed murky. Herbie was absolutely sure of everything and he was wrong about it all. Literally, wrong about it all. They even went so far as to point out the players 'turning to the official for a penalty' when the replays clearly show they are actually yelling at each other for blowing the coverage. One of the things that I've been really pounding into the head of my son in an attempt to undo a few of the things that had been ingrained into him these past few years, is that sometimes the smartest thing you can say is 'I don't know.' I understand that, in this day and age of social media, people feel compelled to rush to a narrative and stick with it. That also shows a glaring lack of understanding regarding social media. Everyone who can afford the ticket to that game has the money to buy a cell phone with a camera equipped with incredible technology allowing clear pictures and video. I'm on baby patrol this morning and afternoon. I've got ESPNU on in the background. They have yet to show the video linked above despite it being out since Saturday night.
Here is the video. The FSU defender on Procise ( #20 ) wraps him with both arms right at the line of scrimmage and never lets go. Fuller ( #7 ) drives his guy into the end zone and is turned toward Golson rather quickly. He is a receiver. FSU's #26 gets lost in the cluster coverage ( three on three ) and covers no one. So Robinson ( #88 ) is wide open. As the clip ends you see #26 of FSU beginning to rip his own helmet off. In a still photo he has his helmet off while Robinson is still holding the ball. That is a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct and an automatic first down. No officials saw this player with his helmet off but the referee saw OPI from the other side of the field. No one on the play side threw a flag. We got robbed. Pure and simple. <iframe width="854" height="510" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/KdElkk-xSTk" frameborder="0"></iframe>
OK so here's the latest from the ACC assuming this is accurate: https://www.facebook.com/Sportsbeat960/posts/784530768257480 The ACC now states that the call was against Prosise. OK so that means that the call wasn't against Fuller who was the named player by the head referee. I guess that they had a chance to review the play from other angles and realized that Fuller didn't block but rather the db tried to jump the route. And as far as the obvious helmet off that every on of those crackerjack officials missed, they admit it should have been called and ND should have had a first and 10 at the 9 . It's too bad that we didn't hear anything about that from the TV crew. We didn't hear anything about that on Mike & Mike. We didn't hear anything about that from Lou. All we ever hear is that the officials didn't make the wrong call. They blew it.