Tebow Wins Heisman

On the NFL surely you do know that Florida over the last 30 years or so has placed a ton of NFL players. In fact in the 80s and 90s UF had a streak of consecutive years of #1 draft picks that was at the time a record.

Here is a couple of links that exhibit what the representation is these days.....one link from a couple of years ago and one current to today:

http://fantasyfootball.statswiz.com/nfl/college.php



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=n


I am not saying that Florida has the all-time lead in placing NFL players but UF has been represented well amongst the top schools.

 

I was responding to this statement:

You seem to have a history of making false statements, and then when you're called out on them you back-track and refine them.

For example, the above quote has now become:

I'm not even sure that is true, although "represented well" is certainly fewer than "as many".

 

must be on your game today....can't sneak anything past you Gators. :roll:

 

Gaterz,
If I don't agree with what you post, I usually respond with my rebuttal, and I am open to further discussion. I thought that is what we did here. I do try to keep personal insults out of my responses. If I fail to do that it is because of a weakness in my personality, I guess.

 

I think that is what should happen but unfortunately, all too often the personal digs are thrown. Then when someone responds in kind, especially if they happen to be a UF fan, they are castigated for not following board rules.

I included you in that enumeration because I'd just read this comment on the Tebow thread:

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Has any game ver been decided in the SEC where "referee interference" was NOT a factor?

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Really, what sort of repsonse do you hope to elicit? Why continue to push that topic? To inflame a discussion, as George had hoped to do?

 

Speaking of inflaming discussions...........

Tell me, in the "What's good for......." dept., are you the goose or the gander?

Let's see....So far you've singled out Corey, Gator Bill, Terry O, Buckeye Terry, and kp, all by name, which includes two of the three moderators. Don't forget me, BDR, JO'Co, George, NYC Husker, and Huskerman Huskerfan. Have I missed anyone?

 

Wow...other than being a Gator fan what basis have you for making a comment like that???

Weurfel and Tebow are fine upstanding men, no doubt. But the way you frame it is sort of like ND winners are not worthy to be considered in the same conversation with those guys, I assume you are talking about them out of football correct?

Certainly not football as the careers of ND winners far exceed that of Spurrier who's football playing career was over in college, or Weurfel who had the same career. Vs College and NFL HOF careers for ND guys like John Lattimer, Paul Hornung, Tim Brown, etc.

If it's just the "being a man side" what exactly are you basing that ridiculous statement on????

 

Gaterz,
I didn't mention any person or any school. I can refer you to a great number of threads and posts that talk about the performance of referees and their affect on the outcome of games if you would like. On second thought, if you consider that a personal insult or an insult to UF then I will respectfully no longer engage in discussion with you.

 

Well, given Corey's previous question on UF QB's I knew that's the sort of response he desired ... so I gave it too him. That's what he wanted so what do you expect, Sid???? BTW, it's surprising that you highlight my post expressing a legitimate sentiment ... and completely overlook (and at a minimum condone) the flame by IC. Huh.

I stated if you don't like what I've posted don't respond, don't inflame.

TOK

It's a very clear honest statement in response to a intentional "flame" by one of your ND bretheren, IC. Clearly, I would rather have "men" like Danny and Tim .... with qualities and character that far exceed (or may in the case of Tebow) their skills on the NFL playing field ..... as UF QBs to a greater degree ..... than any Heisman winner from ND over the last 20, 30, 40, maybe even 50 years. What is it you do not understand about that?

And since IC raised the issue, I'm now curious as to how many ND QBs have won the Heisman over the last 20 or 50 years?


kp

:wink: Okay .... that's fine.

 

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Hey I don't have a problem with your being proud of UF winners, just don't see the need to denigrate ND winners when you don't know anything about them. Feel free to take a swing at OJ though.

 

I am very proud of UF's winners ... probably more for the men they are than their QB skills ....... and did not appreciate IC's intentional swipe at these guys. Further, I don't think I said anything bad about any ND Heisman winner, just that I prefer the three that UF's had as UF QBs over any ND's had in the last half century ..... and I think there have been two, only one QB.

Now, if I'm getting slammed for what some may see (in a very subjective analysis on their part) as a shot at ND heisman winners .... why doesn't IC get called down for what was clearly a shot at UF's three winners? It's okay that he does?

 

LOL

<t>So anyway Bill, the whole recurring theme of 'McFadden getting jobbed in the Florida Heisman ballots is a thing I've read on several Hog boards. Since you guys are all much closer to the UF voting situation, I figured you would be able to shed more light on the subject. I was wondering if its just urban legend that has caught on because its 'their guy' who they feel is 'getting hosed' or if there was something to it.<br/>
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I could have sworn that the Heisman votes were public, but for some reason I couldn't find them last night.<br/>
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It would appear that I've been google-tarded, as I normally have no problem finding these things.</t>

 

Is this what you are talking about?

Seems a bit of a stretch to take that as a swipe that requires you to question the character of ND Heisman winners as not being up to UF Heisman winners.

But I don't agree with Corey that the NFL careers of the Heisman winners has any real meaning with regards to their worthiness for the trophy as collegians. A lot of winners have not experience professional success, just like a lot of great high school players don't excel in college. Just the way it is and doesn't reflect on them negatively.

 

.....it has finally become clear. I knew I recognized those guys from somewhere!

 

gaterz

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would you care to re-visit that statement?<br/>
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While the Holtz years were mostly option football. We've had our share of 'not so great' QBs over the years.. but the past 50 years? Come on now. You do realize who is on that list if you go back that far, don't you?<br/>
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You two are hanging your hat on possibly the worst QB to ever start a Super Bowl.. one that most hardened of Bears fans will tell you that the team made it to the Super Bowl in spite of him, not because of him.<br/>
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Joe Montana. Joe Theisman.. Hell even Steve Beurlein had a 15 year career and even led the league in passing in 99 and was 2nd in the league in TD passes.<br/>
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The jury is still out on Brady Quinn, time will tell there.</r>

 

Well, I guess I shouldn;t be surprised you don't see it as a cheap shot at UF's 3 Heisman winning QBs. Oh well, goes back to my previous comments on subjectivity.

Hey, see my previous comments on subjectivity. You persist in mischaracterizing what I posted and I hope you're not serious. Just read my post as I simply stated a preference without degrading anyone. Only wish the same could be done by others. But alas it won't happen. Just look below at the tripe from BT .... I've been buckyT'd!!!! ..... again making my case.

 

IC

What is it you do not understand about Heisman winning QBs at ND? I prefer UF's Heisman QB's over any of ND's Heisman winning QBs of the last 20, 30, 40, or maybe even 50 years. And, how many have there been?

 

if you want

<r>to keep it to just Heisman winning QBs, that's going to leave you with Horning who played RB in the NFL.<br/>
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I was going to let you open it up to all Gator QBs.<br/>
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For info on ND's Heisman winners you can read the following<br/>

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You can see ND didn't have Heisman winners with Montana, Theisman or Beurlein. <br/>
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In fact, as Gipper mentioned previously... Quinn was 'out of the front running' for the Heisman with a September loss. That was a game he went 24/48 for 234 yards with 3tds and 3ints.<br/>
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Not everyone's QB gets a pass when they lose.</r>

 

If you are saying that you aren't implying that there is anything wrong (morally or otherwise) with ND Heisman QB's (Lujack,Hornung,Bertelli, Huarte) that would make them inferior to Gator Heisman QB's, just that as a fan you prefer your guys....then I'm fine. Lets move on.