Take away the overtimes and the scores go down for the most part Corey. Those scoring defense averages are definitely inflated by all the OTs....that and Florida's offensive prowess. Otherwise not many would say the SEC doesn't represent itself well on D.
:shock: :lol: .... oh the unintended irony of that statement!! MCG ... he's not serious but just "bustin' yer chops"!!
My eyesight must be failing. A Domer decrying conspiracy theories and accusing a fan of a school that actually won something of merit within the past 20 years of having an overinflated sense of self. I think I need to talk to the doctor who started my prescription regimen after the Appy State game to titrate my meds better since I cannot actually be reading what I think I am reading. Signed, Bob Behind the Looking Glass
haha bob <t>how's the cheese?<br/> <br/> I've been scoffing at these Gator conspiracy theories all year long.<br/> <br/> The well established sh*ttiness of my team has little to do with Gators claiming that there is a conspiracy of 'anti-Tebow' voters out there.<br/> <br/> Dare I shake out the cobwebs and re-visit the "Great Alabama Officials-A-Cheatin' to keep Gators down" controversy of a few months back?</t>
I've said all along <r>that if I had a vote, I'd cast it for Tebow.<br/> <br/> <br/> <IMG src="http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/superdolfan13/black_helicopter.jpg"><s></e></IMG></r>
Uh corey ... the lil helicopter would be appropriate if someone posted an article discussing why Tebow should not win the Heisman. :lol:
well <t>since this is an extension of the other topic, would you like me to go back and copy/paste the comments from some folks saying there is an 'anti-Tebow' camp?<br/> <br/> Or should we just pretend they aren't there, the way you guys do with other Heisman candidates?</t>
Florida's Tebow Named Academic All-American, Manning Award Finalist http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=13070&html=football/news/20071129120600.html&sport=footb Gainesville, FL Florida sophomore quarterback Tim Tebow (Jacksonville , Fla.) was selected to the 2007 ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America Football Team, the College Sports Information Directors of America announced Thursday. A first-team recipient, Tebow is the first Gator football player to garner an Academic All-American nod since Terry Jackson was chosen to the second team in 1998. Tebow became the first Florida player named to the first team since Danny Wuerffel in 1996. A Family, Youth and Community Sciences major, Tebow has earned a 3.76 GPA while also putting up record-breaking numbers on the field for the Gators. Tebow most recently eclipsed the school record for total offense in a season with 3,970 yards, previously held by Rex Grossman (3,904 yards in 2001) in his performance against Florida State. Tebow became the only player in college football history to achieve 20-20 marks for rushing and passing touchdowns in a single season with 22 and 29 scores, respectively. He is also the all-time SEC single-season rushing touchdown leader (22) and set career highs in completions (25) and yards (338) against FAU. Tebow leads the SEC in total offense, completion percentage, touchdowns and passing efficiency. He has rushed for at least one touchdown and thrown for a touchdown in 13 consecutive games, UF’s longest string and the longest current active streak nationally. Tebow leads Florida in rushing with 838 yards on 194 carries for a 4.3 average. In addition, he already has the most yards rushing by a Florida quarterback in a career with 1,218 yards. Tebow Named Manning Award Finalist The Allstate Sugar Bowl announced today the names of the 10 finalists for the 2008 Manning Award, given to college football's top quarterback. This year's 10 finalists include: Erik Ainge (Tennessee), Sam Bradford (Oklahoma), Colt Brennan (Hawaii), Chase Daniel (Missouri), Dennis Dixon (Oregon), Graham Harrell (Texas Tech), Matt Ryan (Boston College), Tim Tebow (Florida), Patrick White (West Virginia) and Andre' Woodson (Kentucky). The Manning Award was created by the Allstate Sugar Bowl in honor of the college football accomplishments of Archie, Peyton and Eli Manning. The winner will be announced following the holiday bowl season. It is the only quarterback award that takes into consideration the candidates' bowl performance. The first three winners of the Manning Award reads like a Who's Who list at the quarterback position. USC's Matt Leinart was the inaugural winner of the award in 2005, followed by Texas' Vince Young in 2006. Last season, LSU's JaMarcus Russell earned the award, capped by his performance in the Allstate Sugar Bowl. All three players went on to become first-round draft picks in the NFL.
Interesting analysis: This is a comparison of the passing performances of the two leading Heisman candidates: Tim Tebow and Chase Daniel. When talking about schedules, the ranks and stats of only I-A opponents are factored in, while the stats the QBs accumulated in games against I-AA teams are not removed from their overall stats. Tebow gets a freebie for Western Kentucky; Daniel gets a freebie for Illinois State. Also, the term “BCS team” refers to any team that plays in one of the 6 BCS conferences, plus Notre Dame. Also, all stats are pulled from the NCAA website. It’s crunch time for the Heisman race. The major statistics for Tebow and Daniel line up as follows: http://flickr.com/photos/12621140@N05/2065748903/ First, let’s just look at raw numbers. It should be evident that Daniel’s higher yardage is due to more attempts. Daniel is slightly more accurate, so to compare the two, I’ll go by yards per attempt. Tebow has thrown for 9.89 yards/attempt, and Daniel has thrown for 7.98 yards/attempt. Given those rates, if Tebow had 495 attempts, he’d throw for 4,895 yards - 944 more than Daniel did; if Daniel had 317 attempts, he’d throw for 2,530 yards - 605 fewer than Tebow. As for TDs and INTs, the picture changes as well when you adjust those for attempts as has been done with yards. Tebow has thrown a TD every 10.93 attempts and an INT every 52.83 attempts. Daniel has thrown a TD every 15 attempts and an INT every 55 attempts. Keeping those rates in mind, given Daniel’s attempts Tebow would throw for 45 TD and 9 INTs; given Tebow’s attempts Daniel would throw 21 TDs and 5 INTs. In chart form: http://flickr.com/photos/12621140@N05/2065865035/ Tim Tebow’s and Chase Daniel’s expected stats given the same success rates with the amount of attempts reversed. However, this all ignores a confounding factor - opposing defenses. *Tebow vs. Daniel: Passing, when Defense is Accounted for The average pass defense rank among BCS teams 56.68, and I use BCS teams as a baseline to eliminate the truly horrible defenses of a lot of the bottom feeders like most of the WAC and Sun Belt. The average rank of the pass defenses that Florida has faced is 33.36, which is 41.46% above the average pass defense. The average rank of the pass defenses that Missouri has faced this year is 72.27, which is 27.51% below the average pass defense. While pass defense rankings have merit, it could be that the Tigers’ opponents’ average pass defense is so much worse because they are ordered on passing yards allowed per game and the Big 12 runs a higher percentage of passing plays than the SEC does. It could be attempts muddying the waters again. So, let’s again look at yards per attempt. The average yards per attempt given up by the defenses of Florida’s opponents is 6.24. Tebow threw for 9.88 yards per attempt, or 58.43% above what you’d expect given the schedule. The average yards per attempt given up by the defenses of Missouri’s opponents is 6.87. Daniel threw for 7.98 yards per attempt, or 16.11% above what you’d expect given the schedule. So while both did better than you’d expect a QB facing their schedules, Tebow did 58% better than expected given his opponents while Daniel did only 16% better than expected given his opponents. Well, what about yards per completion? Some of those incompletions could have been throwaways, drops, or passes batted down at the line and not bad throws by the quarterback. The average yards per completion given up by the defenses of Florida’s opponents is 10.91. Tebow threw for 14.43 yards per attempt, or 32.26% above what you’d expect given the schedule. The average yards per attempt given up by the defenses of Missouri’s opponents is 11.58. Daniel threw for 11.32 yards per attempt, or 2.28% above what you’d expect given the schedule. So while both did better than you’d expect a QB facing their schedules, Tebow did 32% better than expected given his opponents while Daniel did only 2% better than expected given his opponents. Finally, pass efficiency. The average passing efficiency allowed by the defenses of Florida’s opponents is 116.28. Tebow has a passing efficiency of 177.9, or 52.99% above what you’d expect given the schedule. The average passing efficiency by the defenses of Missouri’s opponents is 127.16. Daniel has a passing efficiency of 155.9, or 22.60% above what you’d expect given the schedule. So while both did better than you’d expect a QB facing their schedules, Tebow did 53% better than expected given his opponents the mean while Daniel did only 23% better than expected given his opponents. Once you account for the schedules they played, Tim Tebow has performed better as a passer than Chase Daniel has in every way this year. *Tebow vs. Daniel: Passing, Relative to Each’s Conference Now, let’s look at how Tebow and Daniel stack up within their conferences. In terms of yards per attempt, the average in the SEC is 6.25 yards per attempt. Tebow’s again was 9.88, or 57.98% above the average for the conference. The average in the Big 12 was 7.06 yards per attempt. Daniel’s again was 7.98, or only 13.11% above average for the conference. Tebow has vastly outperformed his peers, while Daniel has bested his peers by a much smaller margin. In terms of yards per completion, the average in the SEC is 11.28 yards per completion. Tebow’s again was 14.43, or 27.96% above the average for the conference. The average in the Big 12 was 11.52 yards per attempt. Daniel’s again was 11.32, or 1.74% below average for the conference. Tebow has clearly outperformed his peers, while Daniel has actually underperformed slightly versus his peers. In terms of passing efficiency, the average for SEC quarterbacks is 115. Tebow’s again was 177.9, or 54.70% above the average for the conference. The average for Big 12 quarterbacks was 130.43. Daniel’s again was 155.9, or only 19.52% above average for the conference. Tebow has vastly outperformed his peers, while Daniel has bested his peers by a much smaller margin. *Tebow vs. Daniel: Passing Efficiency if Schedules Switched Finally and just to drive home the point, let’s look at passing efficiency if Tim Tebow and Chase Daniel switched schedules somehow. Tebow outperformed his expected passing efficiency by 52.99%; Daniel outperformed his expected passing efficiency by 22.60%. The expected passing efficiency for Tebow’s schedule is 116.28; the expected passing efficiency for Daniel’s schedule is 127.16. Taking all those numbers into account, Daniel would be expected to have a passing efficiency of 142.57 (below his actual number against his schedule) while Tebow would be expected to have a passing efficiency of 194.54, 14 points higher than Sam Bradford, the current leader (Tebow is #2). *Conclusion No matter how you slice it or how you compare, Tim Tebow has been a better passing quarterback than Chase Daniel this year. Keep in mind that this study doesn’t even account rushing, a category where Tebow is in a completely different universe than Daniel. It doesn’t tell you that Tebow has accumulated 51 touchdowns to Daniel’s 36. The Heisman Trophy is supposed to go to the most outstanding player in college football. Since Tim Tebow has outperformed Chase Daniel in every way, you cannot possibly vote Chase Daniel #1 on your ballot because we know of at least one quarterback who has been more outstanding than he has been, never mind players of other positions. Tim Tebow has been more outstanding, and must be voted above Chase Daniel on any Heisman ballot. http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/26/the-heisman-watch/
Tebow is going to win, why are you still obsessing over the possibilty that he might not be the first guy to sweep the ballot? Enjoy it man!
Backlash Could Derail Tebow TAMPA - With ballots from the 925 Heisman Trophy voters due in New York by Wednesday afternoon, a curious phenomenon is sweeping through the airwaves. The anti-Tim Tebow movement. Just when you think Tebow, the University of Florida quarterback, has stiff-armed the competition, you hear sobering words. Just when you believe Tebow will actually become the first sophomore to win a Heisman Trophy, you hear a national radio interview with Tim Brown, the future Pro Football Hall of Famer. "Everybody has been on me because Tim Tebow is not even on my list," said Brown, the former Notre Dame wide receiver who gets a vote as the 1987 Heisman winner. "Look, if you're a quarterback, in my mind, you've got to be playing for a national championship. I can't take a quarterback who has lost three games. "Everybody wants to talk about his numbers. But it's like he's running quarterback sneaks from the 5-yard line. I don't necessarily find that as impressive as everybody else." Just when you imagine the potential scene Saturday night, as Tebow steps to the podium and humbly assumes his spot among the college-football legends, you are corrected by Craig James, the former running back who works on ABC's studio highlights show. "In my opinion, Tim Tebow is not the most outstanding player in college football," said James, who voted for Arkansas junior running back Darren McFadden. Just when you are convinced by Tebow's astronomical statistics - he's the first player in Division I-A history with 20 rushing touchdowns and 20 passing touchdowns - Hawaii coach June Jones checks in with a blunt assessment while pushing his own Heisman candidate, senior quarterback Colt Brennan. "Colt is not a system quarterback like Tim Tebow," Jones said during a Sunday night interview with ESPN. "Colt can run any system. I'm not sure Tim Tebow can run our system. He's not a natural passer." Make no mistake. Tebow is considered the favorite over McFadden, Brennan, Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel and West Virginia quarterback Pat White. But the opinions are flying, fast and furious. Many commentators and journalists are painstakingly picking apart Tebow's game, seemingly searching for ways to diminish his accomplishments. "The winner, of course, will be Florida's Tebow ... because many of the voters are sheep, following as gospel the words that tumble from the mouths of Tebow's media supporters," wrote Mitch Vingle, a columnist with the Charleston (W.Va.) Gazette. "Yes, Tebow is a wonderful player ... but the publicity around him has gotten out of hand." Some feel the publicity is justified. "Tim Tebow is an anomaly," said Spencer Tillman of CBS Sports, a regular on the network's studio show for SEC football. "He has more rushing yards than most running backs. You can't look at him through the same lens as other players." "You get a guy like this once in a lifetime," ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit said. "This guy Tebow is doing it like RoboCop. He's running through people. He's running by people. He's throwing over the top of people. Go beyond the numbers. It's not just the numbers. It's how he's doing it." The debate will continue until Saturday night. Then we will know for certain. "It doesn't say the Heisman only goes to a guy on the best football team," former Notre Dame coach Lou Holtz said. "It doesn't say the Heisman only should go to a junior or senior. "It goes to the best player. That's Tim Tebow." Stay tuned. http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec/04/sp-backlash-could-derail-tebow/?sports
Wuerffel's wisdom on Heisman win With Tebow knocking on Heisman's door, former Florida Gator offers advice GAINESVILLE - Earlier this fall, Florida quarterback Tim Tebow was asked a rather strange question, for some. Which does his prefer most, sunset or sunrise? Tebow called the sunrise his favorite, because it's the start of a new day and the possibilities it can bring. That's a good answer, in the eyes of another ex-Gator signal caller. After all, Danny Wuerffel spent years helping to build Desire Street Ministries only to see it torn apart when Hurricane Katrina caused flooding of New Orleans. But rather than give up, Wuerffel has kept the project alive and thriving. Each morning, he awakes excited by the new challenges the day offers -- albeit humbling to the average person. Still rebuilding and expanding, Wuerffel continues to seek donations on his Web site, desirestreet.org, and waiting for each sunrise. Tebow took on a challenge of his own on the football field -- replacing Chris Leak as the UF quarterback following the Gators' national championship last season. Florida lost three of four games in one stretch this season. But Tebow never wavered, even while playing with a bruised shoulder and finishing the regular-season finale with a broken hand. On Wednesday, Heisman Trophy ballots are due from voters around the nation. Virtually any poll you can find has Tebow listed as the leader to win the award when it is announced Saturday night in New York. Wuerffel, the Gators' last Heisman winner in 1996, plans to be there. Both players were raised in a deeply religious background. Both were the major focus of opposing defenses. And both can't wait for the sun to come up each morning. Tebow's main competition for the Heisman this year is considered by most to be Arkansas running back Darren McFadden. A statistic that could finish any argument about Tebow's chances of winning the Heisman? Of the six common opponents that McFadden and Tebow faced, the Arkansas back accounted for seven touchdowns in those games. Tebow had a total of 25. To look ahead at what could be coming for Tebow on Saturday, and to look back on what winning the Heisman was like for him, Wuerffel took the time recently to answer a few questions. FLORIDA TODAY: What was it like on the Friday before the Heisman ceremony, waiting and wondering if you would win? Wuerffel: Friday before the Heisman was crazy with all of the different travels of the other banquets and getting to New York, and I did not have a lot of time to have anxiety because we were all just really busy. FT: The split second they called your name, what do you remember? What were you thinking about? Was it almost a numbing experience at first? DW: I really didn't know how to respond at first. When my name was called, it was an incredibly overwhelming moment. I was really grateful to have my family there and it was just a great time. FT: Do you ever sit back and think about that weekend and how it can change someone's life, once they become known as the Heisman Trophy winner? DW: When I won the Heisman, everyone talked about how it would affect your life and I guess in some ways I guess one can foresee how it might. But certainly, 10 years later, I have a little bit different perspective. Certainly it is a title that sticks with you throughout your life and opens lots of doors, and I can certainly see how it has already helped to impact the work that I have done with Desire Street Ministries, so I am certainly thankful for that. FT: Is it special to go back and see others honored with the Heisman? DW: It is a great time of year to go back and see the new Heisman winner being announced and honored. It is a really neat, also, to go back and see the former winners. It is a really neat group of guys, fraternity of guys, and you get to know them over time and get to see what they have done with their lives. . . . It is really encouraging. FT: What kind of a relationship have you built with Tim Tebow? He's said you guys talk from time to time. DW: I've been a big fan of Tim Tebow for a long time. He first came to a quarterback camp that I did years ago when he was an eighth or ninth grader. . . . He's certainly grown a lot since then. I really respect him a lot and we do get to visit from time to time. He's seems to be a very considerate, polite, Christian young man. FT: Will you be in New York for the Heisman this year? What advice will you have for the winner, if he happened to ask for any? DW: I will be in New York this year for the Heisman ceremony. When I get a chance to give advice to the Heisman winner, I tell him to get ready to be patient, to take a lot of pictures and sign autographs. http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/SPORTS/712040351/1002/SPORTS