That's it, us rotten old SEC guys just crow and crow and crow. On the other hand what would you call some folks here who bash the SEC and the Gators at every opportunity? You have a remarkable way of finding what you think is a fault with a person then brushing everyone who may have be a fan of the same team with that brush. I guess I should go back to that comment of Tim's about hating Meyer and the Gators and hoping they both fail and paint all Notre Dame fans with having the same attitude?
Bill, WTF are you talking about? You SEC guys LOVE LOVE LOVE that Championship game... I think a big reason for that is that you haven't had the gigantic upset type of game especially as regularly as the Big 12 has had over the years. The area I live in is filled with UT fans, Ole Miss fans, Bama fans, Auburn fans, Miss State fans... they all love that title game.. Had you been victim of the huge upset, you might not be so big on it. I know of plenty of Big12 fans who aren't too happy about the title game and its risks Corey
That would be ideal but virtually impossible in a 12 team league. I guess you could play 11 conference games and an-state rival but there is probably some bad economics associated with that.
I often wonder what would have been the result if FSU had beaten ND in a close game then the next week lost to UF while ND beat BC. Who would have played in that case. The problem with 93, was that FSU only dropped to #2 when we beat them, and then when we lost we lost to an unranked team at home, and we fell further than FSU did when they lost to us and FSU beat a good UF team handily. So Neb slipped in ahead of us and FSU returned to #1.
You need to quit telling me what I think Corey, you don't have a clue. As long as we have the playoff we have I'm very glad to see the SEC doing as well as they are and will hope we continue to do well. However if I was designing the system I would have a playoff, probably not like yours but a playoff.
I think what would have happened in that Scenario Terry is that Notre Dame would have been ahead of FSU. Just my opinion but I think that is the way it would have happened.
I was there for that game and in the first half it did appear that FSU was hands down better than UF. But in the second half UF mounted an electric comeback that generated one of the most remembered moments of the series between UF and FSU and widely regarded as THE loudest moment of all time in the Swamp which I will personally attest to. The Gators had come back from a 21-3 halftime score to a 26-21 deficit late in the 4th quarter and had FSU on a 3rd and long backed up on their own 22. Charlie Ward deftly avoided the fierce pass rush and Warrick Dunn did the rest as FSU scored the clincher on a 78 yard pass play that broke the Gator's back. On that 3rd and long the noise was absolutely deafening and louder than anything I have heard anywhere by far.
It's bad enough we have to on occasion put up with horsecrap opinions by the mods but do they have to respond to our posts using our names and avitars?
I have no idea how that happened and am going to erase the post. But here it is again for the record. And as far as horsecrap opinion from a moderator what can I say other than you don't have to read them.
A decidedly biased FSU fan's recounting of the play I described: http://mailer.fsu.edu/~abrady/FSU/Greatest_Play.html A pretty good description actually.....
For the record.. No one is saying the conference championship game is a bad thing. I have no effing idea how we even got to here. You guys decide your conference champ your way, other people will decide theirs.. Let the 11 conference champs join 5 at-large teams and kick it off. I have never once heard you say, Bill, that you don't like the SECCG. My only point was that, if you guys had more upsets in your SECCG when the NC is on the line, I don't believe that you'd be as fond of it.
I would say you're right about that Corey but also it has proven out that those NC caliber SEC teams seem to win the SECCG rather than lose it. Witness OU losing it's Big 12 CG and then losing the NC title game in a big way. Apparently not good enough to win the NC anyway and the Big 12 CG should have told us something.
Like I said gipper I have no idea how it happened. I thought maybe I edited one of your posts by mistake but that wouldn't explain it having your avatar and post count and my signature which is what that post had. I would not intentionally use your avatar to make a post. I like the SECCG game Corey and believe that when and if we have a playoff the conference playoffs will be a part of the system. Just my opinion. Regardless until when, and if, I will enjoy whatever system is in place.
I understand that SEC fans like the SECCG, but you have to admit it as far as determining the true conference champion it's inferior to a real round robin. I know that's impossible of course, but doesn't make my point invalid. What it does do though is, in years where the SEC is not at #1 or #2, give it a big game where they can gain more points in both the computer and human polls in the effort at getting to the top 2 in the BCS. Same could be said for B12 and ACC.
That's absolutely true. It's why the Big 12 South tiebreaker was so crucial to which team from the Big 12 represented the conference in the NCG. USC would have benefited recently I believe if there was a PAC 10 CG.
There is a fairness issue to me, one that is unsolvable being that polls are human, but the PAC10 Champion is the on the field champion having played all the teams in it's conference, the SEC Champion isn't the true champion since they didn't play all the teams in it's conference on the field and in fact the championship game might not even involve the 2 best teams. But the fact that it's a big season ending game gives it more weight than it should have with the voters. The voters have the option of not giving it that weight but being human they don't and give it more weight than it deserves. That can be helped in USC's case, if ND and UCLA are strong programs. That way USC in some years finishes with two strong teams possibly 2 top 10 teams in the years ND plays at USC and in the other years when they play at ND, they at least finish with a strong UCLA team. That hasn't been the case for awhile now and it's hurt USC. While I'm certainly not the typical Texas fan because they are really my 2nd favorite team. I don't have much problem with the way the season played out. They lost a tough game on the road, they had the lead with about 2 minutes and let them drive the field for the win. It was a real oddity the way things played out and not likely to happen again but while I think Texas deserved the NC game as much as OU, based on the head to head, but in the end that win in the Fiesta Bowl over Ohio State was very sweet and I don't think Texas could have beaten UF.