Now that Meyer is at Ohio State of course he is quite an honest guy.....dealing frankly with every recruit. I believe he was honest at Florida too because if he wasn't he most likely would have let it eat at him with all kinds of stomach upset as a result....no....wait a minute.... Can I delete this post??? :wink: :lol:
Of course you OSU guys are going to support your coach. I don't know all the facts. It's entirely possible that Meyer found the kid a home prior to making the move. I'd like to believe that. On its face, though, with no additional information, it looks like he screwed the kid. That's what Terry is talking about. Terry is the ultimate voice of reason in this group.
Well it's mainly because I don't believe for a minute that this young man was told early on or at the outset of his committment that it was a "conditional" committment that depended on them having a scholarship available after they got all the players that they wanted. The problem I have with it is that in many cases (not this one because he ended up with options to Alabama or Florida) the kid stops his recruitment and makes all his plans on going to the school he has given his verbal. Then late in the game he has to start over again. It's the same problem I have with kids who give their committment to a school and then in the last week they decide to flip to another school. That school thought they had a position filled, now at the last minute they don't and they don't have the same options as they did when they accepted his committment. We've all been on both sides of that coin, when you get a player you wanted away from another school then you're happy, when you are the school on the losing end you aren't so happy.
I'm with you Stu....there is nothing here unless you believe the kid was lied to and I get it completely that there are OSU/Urban haters out there that will believe that no matter the evidence (and no I'm not suggesting that TOK is one of those)....... Neither the young man nor anybody else associated with the situation has suggested anything at all in that regard. In fact, all parties have stated quite the opposite. In Townsend's own words, "That did not happen at all, nothing was pulled."
Spurrier seems to know the real reason Meyer "retired" at Florida: http://coachingsearch.com/home/2438-steve-spurrier-the-no-1-class-drove-urban-meyer-to-retirement.html
I don't know any of the facts and I would feel the same way no matter who the hell the coach was, Sid...I may have my biases but don't "of course" support my coach no matter what. Dave, that was smarmy of you, too. What is with everybody around here lately? If BT's scenario is correct, then I fail to see how the kid was screwed. TOK seems to be saying that even so it was wrong. I disagree. If BT is wrong and somebody welched on a deal with the kid, then any criticism is justified. I am not going to justify screwing a kid. Too much of that goes on. I know absolutely nothing about this other than what I read here. All I said was I don't understand TOK's objection if it went down as BT said. I still don't. Terry just explained it...says he doesn't buy that it happened that way. Fine. He didn't say that it his earlier post.
I ask you guys to read these articles on Townsend and tell me that he didn't think he was a scholarship player for OSU, not a player who had a conditional offer and might be asked to walkon or wait another year. Townsend Commits or this one. Townsend can't wait to get to Columbus
Sid, ordinarily I would agree with you, but when TOK has a version that is contrary to that of the kid himself and everyone else with any factual knowledge of the situation, as in this case, I think we gotta go with the kid. Here was the kid's words this morning when asked.... I have no doubt that TOK's scenario has been played out in countless situations over the years, but in this case, why would anybody interested in the facts not believe the kids own words..... TOK and I are just gonna have to disagree about this one....we're beating a dead horse and we have enough of that around here already.
Not at all Sid, nor TOK as I indicated. But there are plenty of both Urban and OSU haters to go around and oftentimes they can fuel controversy around such non-events as this as you well know how that can take on a life of its own being an Irish fan...... I suppose it's entertainment to some
Feeling a little queasy about this new recruit. http://deadspin.com/5982650/michigan-football-recruit-until-i-die-im-gonna-be-a-buckeye-fan-this-ought-to-go-over-well Michigan and OSU recruited more 4 and 5 star recruits than the rest of the B10 did combined.
In my post, I said....."with no additional information......" The quote from the kid is additional information which is sufficient for me. I consider Meyer an honorable person, so I was hoping there would be supporting "evidence" to show it was done honorably. The kid's quote closes the case for me. By the way, there is an entire conversation in this topic about this matter that I completely missed. Within that conversation lies the "additional information" that would have eliminated my earlier post. I need to be more vigilant in catching up when I've been away for a couple of days.
Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye.....poor kid. I don't expect his reception "up north" will be a pleasant one
And Urban is going to have a meeting with the B10 coaches to talk to them about their recruiting effort! That should go well. And as far as Townsend goes, good for him for taking the high road he has nothing to gain by saying anything other than it's all good. But I don't believe him or his family when they say that his scholarship was never guaranteed...ie it was always conditional.
As you are certainly entitled, there is nothing we can do about that and nothing more need be said......we are at an impasse and we will just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Wouldn't you just love to be in that meeting! Urban is definitely making friends! I don't expect he's going to be chosen most popular this session!! :wink:
No doubt Stu, as he is always quick to suggest, he was forced into it because of some transgression against him, by somebody, somewhere, sometime....perhaps it was Bush? Certainly out of character tho.... :roll:
Here is a link re the Towsend recruiting by an Ohio State blog that is not an official OSU site. It is a direct interview with the young man and his reasons for his LOI to Florida. http://www.the-ozone.net/recruiting/2012_13/Townsendexplains.html