I didn't call you an asshole. However I find it ridiculous that when Dave posted something a bit after three and at four o'clock it changed you have to come and make an issue of it. But that is just my opinion.
I don't know what is going on with the posts, but one of mine appears twice separated by a couple of other posts which makes no sense to me. Also one of Dave's is gone. I don't know what is happening but yesterday was signing day perhaps it was a glitch with the servers, I just don't know.
Bill, I think I found Dave's post. It is the last post on page 2. Your post that was right before his was duplicated on page three with nothing from Dave after it. Take a look at the last post on page two and see if that is the post that we thought was missing.
Florida added two more recruits since the last rankings on Wed......one of which was this US Army All-American: http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20130207/ARTICLES/130209683/1136/FRONTPAGE Only a punter......but must be a damned good one.
Dave, The punter in question was a gift. Ohio State was maxed out at 24 due to scholarship limits. When Vonn Bell (five star from Georgia commited) Meyer had to inform the young man no more schollies were available. We would loved to have had him in the fold.
While that all worked out for that kid, I think it's wrong to accept a verbal from a kid in the Summer of 2012 and then at the last moment tell him that well we want/need this kid more than you so tough luck kid find yourself another school.
Don, the staff had made the young man aware that we could be maxed out on signing day, but was likely that a spot may come open later and if that happened they would love to have him in Columbus. In some areas of the country where the practice of oversigning is allowed, they could have signed him and waited for or orchestrated some attrition prior to the opening of summer camp. The kid wanted his day in the sun, wanted to sign on signing day without any uncertainty, both his parents went to UF as well as his brother so it sounds as if that is where he should be...... If the Gator Nation rags want to believe that they "flipped" the kid and that provides them some degree of comfort, let them.....I'm guessing that they would much rather have preferred James Clark the WR from New Smyrna over Townsend, but I hear he is a fine punter.
Florida signed some highly touted wide receivers in this class. Willy Ball is dependent on a strong defense and a strong kicking game.....which Florida had both of last season and Willy Ball seemed to work well. I am glad to see this kid get on board no matter how or why. Can't hurt signing another US Army All-American.
I don't believe that to be the case TOK.....my understanding is that the kid understood the situation from day one, was fine with it and preferred it to the "walk on" offers he had from Bama and Florida. If the conference allowed oversigning, quite probably the kid would have a signed NLOI in Columbus, we wouldn't be having this discussion and he'd be looking forward to being a Buckeye.
Seriously you want me to believe that when they accepted his verbal back in the summer of 2012, that he was a told that it wasn't really accepted that it was only good if they got everybody else they wanted and there was still a spot for him? Now in this case it's no harm/no foul. It was legal, and the kid even though it was last moment and last moment to me means in the last few weeks when most places have their classes already set, had options...UF and Alabama. To be fair, kids do this to schools every year...don't like that either but to me the school should be held to a higher standard.
You are free to believe anything that you want my friend based upon whatever sources of info that you may have or not as the case may be.... We all should do the same...... I just don't see the problem of telling a kid that if we have room, we will give you a scholarship and if not, we'd love to have you walk-on. In fact, that is clearly a superior offer than telling a kid we'd love to have you walk-on, but there will be no scholly.....
Buckeye Terry, Thanks for the additional input. Unfortunately many of us never know the entire story. On a lighter note, I understand Coach Meyer is not planning on punting often this fall! :roll:
Don, in truth only the kid and our staff know the entire story. At the end of the day people will believe whatever they choose.....I have heard that version from multiple sources, seems quite plausible and I have no issues whatsoever. The amusing part to me is that if oversigning were allowed in the conference, we wouldn't be having this discussion and yet I refuse to believe that oversigning is a superior alternative than being upfront with kid about the situation before there is a problem..... I don't expect them to be punting very often....virtually the entire offense (plus Jordan Hall) returns with another year of the system under their belt and some huge weapons on the outside from this class that will contribute early and often.....offense will be very explosive for sure. Our challenges will be on the other side of the ball....
So...when you do have to punt having a great punter might just help that defense. Meyer probably already has one in the fold because he is a great believer in strong special teams.....and that most definitely includes punting.
It's oversigning with a twist, you lock up a player in the summer of 2012 but then later when a player you want more comes available you tell the kid he won't have a scholie and he'll be welcome as a walkon or he can gray shirt and you'll take him in the next class...which at that point why would the kid believe that if you didn't hold his spot for this year the same thing wouldn't happen next year if better options present. In this case the kid had options even though his offer was revoked late in the game. He's fine, full ride at a top school and on signing day you don't exceed your quota.
I don't see that at all, not remotely close.....there is no lockup and the kid has complete discretion. You tell the kid the situation and if that is acceptable to him, so be it.....if not, he is free to seek greener pastures. In this case, this was the pasture he chose at his own discretion and then a superior option was presented and he changed course. In the case of oversigning, the kid is locked up, there is a legal obligation and oftentimes, unfortunate things happen as a result without any discretion whatsoever on the part of the athlete......
I don't really understand your objection, TOK...unless you do not believe that OSU was honest with the young man.