I think Florida has proven twice vs. Auburn ( in '94 and in '08 ) that wanting to get revenge and getting it are two different animals. Same for Ohio State last year when the SEC bounced 'em twice in a row. The game still has to be played on the field and while the team can say the Georgia dance motivates them you have to believe they would be jacked up sky high anyway on November 1st.
Interesting Corey, but tell me this, after Meyer had turned around two programs at Bowling Green and Utah just who didn't think he would move on to bigger and better things? Certainly both Florida and Notre Dame did as they were both pursuing him. Those comments you posted are the type you can find about any coach any where when the coach moves on. There is a vocal minority of Gator fans who say some similar things about Steve Spurrier. I also read some very caustic comments about Weis, Saban, Tuberville, etc etc. I have no problem with you believing them if you want to, that's your choice. But Gator fans are very happy he is our coach. Take that to the bank.
Back to the original comment about Lamm's comments about Meyer. I posted a question on the insider board on Gator Country about Lamm. I already knew most Gators don't care much for him and that is about all the information I got about him, he's not highly thought of by Gator fans and hasn't been in a long time. Buddy Martin who wrote the latest book about Meyer and has written numerous other books about the Gators and Steve Spurrier in particular was on the show later in the week. His take of course was quite different. I know Buddy personally and think very highly of him. I will admit that he bleeds Orange and Blue. Something else I did pick up from my topic is that it is apparently true that Meyer is not a big buddy of many media types. He spends his time with his team. He pushes success in school, living right, buying in to the team. As I said earlier Gator football players continue to do better in school than I ever remember, graduate at a higher rate and for the most part live their lives right. Now something else I might add is that when a player screws up and even when removed from the team Meyer in many cases gives the player an opportunity to earn his way back, to prove he can live right and contribute on the field. I not only do not hold this against him, I condone it as I think he has a positive influence on many young mens lives and believe in people being able to earn their way out of a bad situation. I predict he will be at Florida a very long time.
Absolutely right on Bill. If a guy does a great job at his present school then how does he break it to them they aren't the place for his future? There isn't much of a good way to do it. On Meyer...I truly believe he does it the right way and the NCAA correct way. He believes in family and in team and both are the same. He has low tolerance for low lifes. He has proven success on and off the field and he recruits extremely well. What's not to like about Urban Meyer if you are a Gator.
I have no problem with the guy. From all appearances he is doing it the right way. I know there have been some negative inferences regarding recruiting practices, but when it comes to recruiting I always consider the source and the agenda.
If you are a Gator what's not to like, he's won a NC, recruited extremely well and the future looks very good for the program. I doubt very seriously that he's going any place in the near future, who knows what will happen once he passes the 10 year mark, will he decide like Spurrier he needs to test himself in the NFL, or will he just retire, or will he go for 20 years. Of course it's always possible that he will not be as successful as you Gators hope over the next 7 or 8 years, that he will always seem to lose a couple of games a year and maybe even the Bulldogs will get on a winning streak vs UF. The bloom could come off the rose and he could end up with a successfull 10 year run but nobody really hoping he stays another 10 years. So far he's been very bold with some of his recruiting moves, Texas fans think something stunk about the John Brantley decomit but it was all legal even his girlfriend getting a Tennis scholarship. I think there was another issue where a Fla football players girlfriend got an athletic scholarship in gymnastics. ND fans didn't like the fact that he told Trattou not to let the ND coaches know he was considering changing his verbal to UF. They didn't like that they told Omar Hunter that Mattison was not leaving for the NFL, when they knew he was leaving for the NFL and did so right after signing day. But none of those things broke NCAA rules, so if I'm a Gator fan it's sort of like hitting to the whistle not against the rules but may at times look bad. But Texas fans were ok with Jevan Snead changing his commit, and ND fans were are ok if they get a player who was previously committed to another school. So it's mostly just fans bitching and whining about stuff and ignoring the same stuff when their school does it. Terry
Agreed... And also some circumstances are unknown to the general public and most times recruits are flip-flopping by nature and because it is a very tough decision for most to make.
far be it from me to join the group hug <r>but i was responding to this<br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> I was simply backing up my statement that Urban Meyer is persona non gratis on both of those college campuses. Lots of guys move on. Few do so and seem to burn so many bridges.<br/> <br/> also, what nasty words are out there about Weis leaving his previous employer?</r>
You can't really compare Weis to any college coach that changed jobs. While I don't know anything about wheter or not Urban is "hated" by the kids who he left at Bowling Green or Utah, I can imagine that there is always some animosity when a head coach at one school leaves for a better (allegedly) job at another school. The way college is set up these days the vast majority of kids are commited and out of the recruiting process by the time the college regular season ends and coaches start playing musical chairs. That leaves a lot of them playing for different guys than they thought, and it leaves a lot of players at that school who came there for that guy and his offensive/defensive system and now are faced with a new system. So it's certainly set up for some hard feelings of various degrees, but some of the time the new guy they get is better and they are better off, they don't know it at the time though. Terry
For the record, I agree with Corey as well as stand by my comment a few posts earlier. No question that fans of the schools he left are PO'd. Until he's been at Florida about 5 years or more, he's going to have to live with the image of being a carpetbagger. It's an inevitable consequence of making several moves in a short span of years.
I guess to me the issue isn't whether or not there are hard feelings at Utah and Bowling Green on Urban's short stay, it's endemic in college football. He's just the most high profile guy doing it. Todd Graham spent 1 year at Rice before ditching them for a better job at Tulsa, might be some bitterness there. Billy Gillispie spent 1 year at UTEP before ditching them for A&M and 2 years at A&M before ditching them for Kentucky. It's part of the game. What I wonder is what the Rich Rodriguez case will do to college coaches looking to jump jobs after signing a contract and swearing everlasting allegiance to the former school. In the past the buyout was just either ignored or negotiated down to some lesser amount than the contractual amount. But WVA stood up to Michigan, twice and made their coaches pay the full amount, both RR and the Basketball coach had to pay their full buyout.
Oh and I have to point out that Utah allowed Meyer to have outs in his contract for Notre Dame and Ohio State so they clearly felt there was a chance he would leave during his contractual period. I don't know if Urban had to buy his way out of the Utah contract for UF, or did UF pay that or did Utah waive the buyout? Seems like there is a legendary ND coach who will get his own statue at ND stadium who had an free out clause in his Minn contract and even with that there were hard feelings when he took advantage of that contractual provision if I remember correctly. Terry
I don't think Urban would be expected by anyone...even Utes fans to pass up the Florida job at a million dollars more per year and other considerations for the Utah job.... :roll:
I think Utah fans knew that Urban would not be there for long time inspite of him saying during the season that he loved it there and had no plans to move anywhere. During his 2nd season, everybody from SI to ESPN had picked up on his out clause for ND and Ohio State, while nobody thought for a moment that Ohio State was in need of a coach, there was opportunity at ND so there was speculation all season because of his success about him leaving for a bigger job. And he did, no doubt though there were some people, maybe a lot I don't know, who felt "used". I don't know what they expected though. But he's at one of those jobs now that you don't leave for another college job so unless he gets the NFL itch he'll be at UF for quite awhile. Terry
Corey, for a logical thinker like you I'm surprised at that comment. Since when does someone leaving an assistant job for a Head Coaching job draw comments. However I have read a lot of comments, even from Notre Dame fans, about last season.
You are certainly entitled to feel that way Sid. However I don't think most people look at Moving from an assistants job to Bowling Green then to Utah then to Florida as carpetbagging. Each was a definite step up and most people feel that was fine. For sure Notre Dame seemed to think it was fine as they pursued him. Us Gators think it was fine because we got him. And for the record this is his 4th year coming up so I guess he will be glad to know that in about one additional season you won't consider him a carpetbagger! :wink: :wink: :wink:
sweet Jesus <r>I'm not stirring the pot Bill, it was legit question to a statement you made.<br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> Every coach you listed there moved onto another HC job leaving their previous employer in the dust....except one.<br/> <br/> I just thought it was odd that Chuckles was included on that list because he honored his contract with his previous employer, he stayed thru the Super Bowl.. I had not read one bad word (sour grapes or not) about how he handled his departure from New England to Notre Dame. The Pats didn't say they were jilted or lied to or anything like that.<br/> <br/> Now he did take a much deserved flogging for the team's performance last year. In my opinion, he took too much of the blame. I think the national media has skirted the issue that Ty Willingham blows and they refuse to take a critical analysis approach to what really happened at ND last year. IMHO, he deserves criticism for trying to harvest a poisoned garden that was planted by Ty.. That's all fair game though.. My question was... who got on Charlie for the way he left New England?<br/> <br/> The others you listed (sans Spurrier) jilted their former employers and left a wake of fan hatred behind them. SOS was jilted by his former employer and upset that vocal minority by going to SCAR.</r>
Actually Corey I think you just made my point. I didn't say any of those guys deserved the flak. I said they got flak. You defended your guy but somehow think the others are legit. I also didn't say you were stirring the pot. But you might be trying! :twisted: :twisted:
i dont think so <t>to break it down further:<br/> <br/> -Tuberville= Still an incredibly unpopular and hated man in Oxford. Does anyone remember his pine box comment?? Ole Miss fans do.<br/> <br/> -Saban= Still hated by Miami followers who feel that he just lied right thru his teeth.<br/> <br/> -Weis=A guy who left to take the opportunity at ND and I still can't think of anyone who was angry at him over the way he handled the situation.</t>