Tom....I am saying that the best of the best appeared to be SEC teams the last two years based on national championship game results and so far this year we are only beating each other...as is the Big 12 and besides....you are dragging out that old very tired Big Ten argument again aren't you? We are talking Big 12 here or at least I thought we were. Not much else you can go on this year and certainly not enough evidence for me to "thank my lucky stars" we don't play in the Big 12. :wink:
I was just poking the bear, there's a lot of football left to play. We have some great teams in the B12 who really are playing exciting football that is fun to watch.
There does appear to be very good teams in the Big 12 but when I look at Mizzou giving up such a great wad of points to Illinois I start to wonder if they have a championship caliber defense. I think Texas scores a bundle on the Tigers. Texas 45 Mizzou 28
Oh, I am so sorry Dave. I could have sworn it was you that said: I'll have to check my facts a little closer next time. :roll: The problem Dave is that you have 10 facts. You see that 2 will help your argument, 5 that will hurt, and 3 that are of no consequence. You only consider the 2 that help your argument and totally ignore the rest.
How self-serving that you rely on that joke of a system, and such a narrow viewpoint of it to boot, to justify your 'greatness.' I thought Tom did a helluva job in trying to keep this from turning ugly... but sadly, I am home from my son's game and it's an ND bye week. You should have left well enough alone. Anytime your big boys wanna pony up and schedule the likes of Boise State and the big boys of the Big12, I am sure they will take your call. Problem is, you will have to leave your home field and not a lot of your 'powers' are fond of doing that... How are those 4, count them four, pre-season national title contenders doing these days? Despite Georgia's 'first in a lifetime' venture out to play a middle of the pack Pac10 team, and Tennessee's annual tough schedule, your conference as a whole still relies on regional tilts against mid-level teams and programs looking for a paycheck. BTW, your conference this year has losses against the Pac10, ACC twice, Big12, and WAC. So it isn't like your conference teams are only losing to each other....That doesn't even take into account the close calls they've had against other squads. Does that mean you suck? No. Does that mean you guys are every bit as vulnerable as everyone else? Yes.
Which conference has lost 4 to the ACC, 4 to the Big East and 1 to the Sunbelt.....the Big 12. ....and yet.....I am soooooo glad that Florida doesn't play in a conference with these bad boys..... :lol:
One other comment on the Big 12.... Does anybody there have their best athletes on defense? The conference is reminiscent of the old WAC the way they rack up the high scoring games.
Texas and OU definitely have some great athletes on defense. But I'm not so sure about the rest of the conference. All I know is that we play exciting football, and Texas looks great.
I'm sure they do have "some", and I'm sure they have some on all the B12 teams. That said the B12 isn't making it's bones this year with rib cracking defense. Now it might be the style of offense that virtually everybody in the conference has adopted just doesn't allow for us to have those rib cracking, bone jarring, rock'em sock'em defenses. If you watched the vaunted Texas Tech offense Harrell's tyical pass was a outlet of about 5 yds with some good YAC, they are good at it for sure and so is KU, OU, UT, MU, Neb, Col, KSU it's hard to just stop that sort of thing from piling up yardage and making the defense look inadequate.
I was skimming thru the polls a little bit ago (they are out, BCS included).. It appears that the Big10 and SEC both have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 of the USA Today poll. The writers have them 4-3 favoring the SEC. the BCS has them at 4 a piece. Of course, both of those pieces of dung have South Florida ranked ahead of Pittsburgh...(protip: They have the same record and Pitt beat them in Tampa) Looks like a lot of parity out there.. I wonder, if Ohio State wins out... doesn't that help USC a whole lot?
I think if OSU wins out it will help USC. For the Buckeyes though the USC loss will be a dead weight around their neck and the W over PSU if it comes will be on Oct. 25th and after that there is no finishing kick to the season like the SEC and Big 12 champion will have. USC has to hope that OSU goes 11-1 because it too has no finishing kick in the PAC 10.
USC does have one game remaining that possibly could add some punch to their schedule. The ND/USC game in L.A. Granted right now the Irish are just a 4-2 team who's decent but not great. It's not beyond possibiltiy that we could head into L.A. 9-2 and ranked somewhere in the top 25. We could be a hot team on the rise, that could generate some big game excitement. But it will depend on the Irish not just winning their next 5 games, but winning pretty impressively. By that I don't mean we have to score 50+ points a game (but that'd be nice) but just look like a great young team on the rise. But even then certainly not the same as if the SECCG features unbeaten Bama vs a 1 loss UF. I don't think the B12 title game will provide any kick to the end of the season, the B12 N champion if it's Missouri will already have at least 2 losses and not likely be a top 10 team. The ACC won't have a dog in the fight no matter what. So really it'll only make a difference if USC is competing with a SEC team for the #2 spot in the BCS. If Texas Slips and Penn State slips and Bama doesn't then I think USC would hold an edge over everybody else.
Counting Bama as undefeated or Florida with only one loss is a tall....tall....order. Even if one of them gets to the SEC CG in that condition then there is the matter of actually winning the game itself. Oh...but there is no difference according to some with PSU's route to the NC and Florida or Bama's. :shock: :lol: By the way... PSU's opponents played so far now have a stellar record of something like 21-36 on the season.
You see, that is the great thing about the Pac10. They don't need a finishing kick. They have an actual champion that was decided on the field... Now I understand that some of you just love the 'wow factor' that sports like ice skating and ballroom dancing bring, but I prefer those sports decided between the teams competing for the title. You can keep on making chicken salad out of chickensh*t, but I will still be here telling you... that ain't mayo! BTW, Bama not finishing unbeaten this year will have a lot more to do with what they lack, as opposed to what they have remaining on their schedule.
Ignore it if you want to Corey but the Championship games offer the Big 12 and SEC great opportunities for that last boost in the pollls the day before the final BCS standings are released. Ohio State's last meaningful game this year could be this Sat. the 25th and for PSU the same thing as well if MSU falls flat.
I'm not ignoring anything. Enjoy your ice dancing. Only this god awful system can possibly punish a conference for actually providing a real champion, while rewarding others for having beauty pageants. Then again, when the system is created by the guy hosting the nation's largest beauty pageant, I guess it isn't hard to see how we got here and what is wrong with this system. In the meantime, I will go back to watching the games and having a good time.