Obama vs. Trump

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  1. George Krebs

    George Krebs Well-Known Member

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    Why do yopu align Trump with the Republicans, Dave? He was brutal to Bush in an interview yet maintained the Obama still can be great.

    Are you confused?

    Another thing, YOU should be rooting for Trump. Today's Rasmuusen Poll:

    Obama 49%, Trump 34%
     
  2. mrsjoco

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    :? I dont think Dave read Joco's post either that or didnt understand it or maybe both..... Dave try reading Joco's post again maybe it will sink in....
     
  3. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Isn't Trump a conservative aligned with the right?

    Maybe I am missing something.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/cnn-poll-trump-tied-for-first-in-gop-horserace/

    Or maybe I'm not...... :wink: 8)
     
  4. JO'Co

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    re: Trump
    The last that I heard, Trump was talking about running as a third party candidate. If he does, that will guarantee Obama reelection, the same way that Ross Perot got Clinton reelected.
     
  5. George Krebs

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    I think this is a an elaborate ruse to gain personal attention and to curry future favors from the Obama administration for doing exactly as JO'Co detailed above.

    One thing I think we can all agree on: Trump does not play well with others. He likes to be King..
     
  6. BuckeyeT

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    I was just taken by the obvious transparency of your view that when GM and Chrysler filed for bankruptcy it was Bush's fault and when a Trump company files for bankruptcy, it's Trump's fault......that's all, carry on.
     
  7. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Don't recall saying that. You have a post?

    I do recall that Bush approved the auto bailouts and I was all for that and aware of Bush's role in that.
     
  8. BuckeyeT

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    Seriously???? Dude, you blamed him for the everything but the timing of Halley's comet including but not limited to the price of oil, the collapse of Detroit real estate, the loss of your job, and the demise of GM, Chrysler, the rising cost of health care and global warming, etc, etc, etc.

    Maybe it was the other Gator fan from the Motor City....if I'm wrong, I'm sure one of the other skyboxers will correct me.
     
  9. Motorcity Gator

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    Global warming?? IDK about that one.

    Demise of Chrysler and GM??

    I did take great, vociferous disagreement with the GOP in general and especially with some blockhead senator from Alabama who had his own self-interests at heart.

    In the end Bush did not let GM and Chrysler liquidate.....which would have been the most damaging of circustances for the Detroit area and the rest of the country as well.
     
  10. IrishCorey

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    oh this is all so much to read...

    Dave, are you trying to take me to task over Ford f*cking over entire states and a region of the country?

    I'd warn you.. it's long, and you'll not like where you end up after the lecture. Toss in Thomas Edison too.

    But they did, most assuredly, they did.
     
  11. IrishCorey

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    Umm do you REALLY want to start running down the list of Senators (regardless of the shape of their head or the state they represent) that push legislation that benefits only their own local interests?

    "All politics is local"
    Tip O'Neal (D)-MA and Speaker of the House for 10 years.. he knew a thing or two about politics.
     
  12. JO'Co

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    :D
    BTW-

    At this time four years ago, Donald Trump was trashing Mr. Bush, making crazy political statements every night on TV, and threatening to run for president...

    ...as a DEMOCRAT!
     
  13. Motorcity Gator

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    And yet.....no matter his substance.....as long as he attacks the Dems and Obama he is tied for the GOP lead in the polls.

    That tells me as I said that as a nation our divide is enormous.
     
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    ...and who is in the lead for the Dems and what is his substance and how should we rate his job performance?
     
  15. George Krebs

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  16. Motorcity Gator

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    That does take the "giddiness" out to be sure.

    Still.....without the bailout there was the real possibility of GM going chapter 7 and it was being talked about in Detroit.

    GM just recently reclaimed it's place as the top auto sales leader in the world so you can imagine the probably millions of people that would have been severely impacted by a liquidation........not that guys like Richard Shelby R-Al. could give a crap about.

    A GM liquidation was about so much more than just a couple hundred thousand auto workers.
     
  17. BuckeyeT

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    Lest we forget completely, GM did in fact file for bankruptcy, wiping out the stockholders money - billions - in its entirety - stiffing it's bondholders for everything but about 10 cents on the dollar - again wiping out billions of dollars of investment - and giving the UAW and Uncle Sam priority stakes......worked out just great......no wonder they're lining up to take Uncle's stake.....
     
  18. Motorcity Gator

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    Forget? Me?

    Hardly.....not ever.

    The extreme uncertainty about GM's possible chapter 11.....possible Chapter 7.....and on and on it went in the months prior to Dec. of 2008 led to serious financial chaos with Detroit area businesses including the firm I worked 23 years for.

    My 2 million dollars plus of GM receivables was too much for the owner of my company to bear and too much ultimately for his bank to bear as well.
    Additionally.....the parent company that only paid my agency 10% of revenues as booking held our company liable for the full exposure of 2 million as they had revoked previously automatic credit approval for GM in which the parent would bear 90% of the exposure and thus.....
    .....as I write this on the computer my car outside swelters in 90 degree heat. :wink:
     
  19. Motorcity Gator

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    ""I'm confident the American people and America's political leaders can come together in a bipartisan way and solve these problems," he said, before going on the warn, "We're not gonna be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers."

    Obama as he put to rest today the incessant issue of where he was born.

    Score one for the prez over DT.
    :lol:
     
  20. BuckeyeT

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    He has made no effort to solve our problems...indeed the greatest amount of energy his administration has put forth during this budget cycle is to ignore, punt and deflect by criticizing those that have made real efforts to come to grips with reality......in what critical area has he provided any real leadership in addressing our fiscal deficit issues?