I agree with George. The whole gay marriage thing has such momentum these days that it's only a matter of time before it's legal across the board and anybody who opposes it is a Meanie and a Hater. We have more important things to do right now.
Why not?? The GOP wasted millions of taxpayer money and their own lawmaking time chasing an impeachment over a BJ..... :roll: :roll:
You're wrong. Clinton lied to Congress under oath. That is why he was impeached. And that can't be trivilalized.
George....after all these years everyone knows what the motivation of the GOP was.......and it worked.......barely.. thanks to a few hanging chads. :wink:
A number of newspapers went back and reviewed the votes in Fla. They concluded that Bush probably won. That means that Gore and the Dems probably tried to STEAL the election. The Dems apparently never lose. They are beaten by rigged voting machines or "hanging chads."
I think since Nixon the party divisiveness began to pick up steam but this was a real catalyst for the polarized state this nation finds itself in today. From Wikipedia: "The charges arose from the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. The trial proceedings were largely partisan, with only five Democratic Representatives voting to impeach and no Democratic Senators voting for conviction. With a two-thirds majority required for conviction, only 45 senators voted guilty on the perjury charge and 50 on the obstruction charge." It didn't hurt at all that media like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News began to mushroom at this time as well. Clinton gave Limbaugh a career.
Clinton gave Limbaugh a career? He started five years before Clinton and is still going strong ten years after him.
Read that again very slowly and recall that in the history of the country, only one other president had been impeached. 200+ years, one previous and members of his own party facing the very real threat to them of political ruin, voting to impeach.....and let's be very clear, he was impeached. So now there have been two in our long history, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton.....great company. As we reflect on his presidency, let's remember that is his greatest historical contribution.
:idea: The current divisiveness in our country dates back to the Lyndon Johnson administration and its conduct of the war in Vietnam. Democrats created the war based on a lie: the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Then they failed to win the war despite dropping more bombs on North Vietnam than we did on Germany and Japan combined. The Democratic Party tore itself (the old Roosevelt coalition) apart over this, costing Hubert Humphrey the White House; then united again to turn all of their wrath against Richard Nixon, who ended the war honorably. Such was their partisanship, that not only did they impeach Nixon for everything that Johnson had done, they handed military victory to the shocked Vietnamese Communists 2 1/2 years after the last shot was fired. The political reverberations from their treachery continue to this day. There's no more trust in American politics, because the Democrats can't be trusted. Check out Obama and his attorney general demanding "workers rights" for public employees in Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio. Then remember that no federal worker has such rights. Wasn't it just three weeks ago that Obama unilaterally declared a freeze on the wages and benefits of all federal workers across-the-board? The "rights" that the public employee unions claim to have don't exist...
By only an extremely partisan vote of the house. And he was not impeached by the senate....not even close. That is what I am saying is the real problem here today. One side.....one-sidedly says it's one way.....and their way is the only way...... .....so it must be so...with no real public mandate. It's crappy politics at it's worst.
....but he was impeached and found guilty of two charges, perjury and obstruction of justice with members of his own party voting in agreement with the findings. And lets's dismiss the "BJ" deflections....the inquiries that resulted in the charges covered a much wider range of misdeeds and abuse of power, including but not limited to Whitewater, Paula Jones amongst other bimbos, Travelgate, etc the results of which evidenced a pattern of deception, lies and efforts to obstruct......hence the charges and conviction. There has been partisanship in this country since Jefferson's treachery and intrigues against Washington while Secretary of State. There have only been two presidents impeached.....two. That will be his historical legacy, not quite up to the standards by which I believe we should judge our chief executives.
Dave Here's a big difference between Republicans and Democrats. Nixon got in trouble trying to cover io a third rate break in at the Watergate complex. He obstructed justice. Republican leaders made it clear that if he didn't resign they would vote honestly. Clinton was sued for sexual harassment. (one of those liberal civil rights claims) testifying under oath in that case he lied. He tried to cover up his violation of the law. He obstructed justice. But he didn't resign because he knew that the Dems in the Senate didn't have the integrity to vote the truth. Clinton literally plea bargained his way out of office losing among other things his law license ib Ark. And no you don't lose your law ticket for BJs. We continue to see today partisan acceptance of wrongdoing by the Dems. Dodds the crook was allowed to not run again for the Senate rather than face charges of corruption for taking bribes from Countrywide Finance. That corrupt Rangle got by for years with no discipline at all. Why? Because his crooked Dem brothers and sisters ran the house. As soon as the Republicans won the house elections his case suddenly came up and he got the meaningless wrist slap before the new House members took over. I do not recall any more decisive period in my lifetime than the last two years. Pelosi's treatment of the minority party was awful. Our citizens deserve to have their representatives be given a chance to review legislation before a vote. Her denial of that opportunity was unconscionable. Now that the house shoe is on the other foot we hear that presidential hypocrite "elections have consequences" Obama now ask for civility! The liberal media all of a sudden asks for bipartisanship! Lastly we hear Democrats warn that the Republicans will shut down the government over budget issues. This we are told is just another evil Republican misdeed. Meanwhile immature Democrats are shutting down the government legislature in Wisconsin. And Ind. Apparently, "elections have consequences" only when the hypocritical Dems win.