Discussion in 'Sports Board' started by Terry O'Keefe, Jul 26, 2023.
Remind me. If the flag is yellow it’s against ND. What’s Clemson’s color?
Hartman has had two seasons. He has stunk on ice so far in the second half. His NFL stock has taken a nosedive for sure. Middle rounder at best.
Clemson defense just snuffed our offense. Their offense didn't do much in the 2nd half against our defense but they kept us holed up with good punts and our offense couldn't do anything.
I don't know what Freeman will do but Sam Hartman was mediocre at best today and it's natural to question the play calling from the OCoord.
Tough loss. Was the team ready to play? That's on Freeman. As I said earlier, getting forced to k\ck FG's when you have a good drive and then a pick 6 and a muffed punt usually lead to a loss.
The Clemson RB Phil Mafah had a great day and really along with our mistakes was the key to Clemson winning.
He arrived at ND as a projected 4th round pick, IMHO he's now an UDFA.
You may be right, Doc. First of all, he lacks the size the NFL craves. He is not a good runner. He is average in the pocket and he does not have a big arm.
We've been practicing for 3 months and that was a team that's supposed to have a passing offense? Nearly every completion was for 5 yds or less. We fell so far behind WE took Estime out of the game. How can we recruit top QBs with displays like today's.
Oh and to answer my earlier question about flag colors, No one knows. They never called a penalty on Clemson. (not that they needed any help. We just stunk.)
Clemson Defense just shut us down and #54, Trotter, was great...but was it our offense who just looked pathetic. Granted our offense was bottled up by good punting and Dabo deciding to play field position. But still it just looked pathetc.
These are the 6 possessions after we got the score to 31-23
- 3 plays, 2 yards
- 4 plays, 23 yards
- 3 plays, negative 4 yards
- 3 plays, 3 yards
- 5 plays, 16 yards, interception
- 5 plays, 20 yards, failed on 4th down
Yeah it is odd to have a team with zero penalties. I don't know if I saw a PI thqt wasn't called and of couree as a fan I can't really very often identify holding. The non-false start penalties on the Irish I can't think of one that was wrong.
Bottom line it's hard to think that we were gotten by the ACC refs protecting Dabo and Clemson.
Well it's hard to determine which is more lopsided 5-0 or the 12-2 penalties in the Duke game.
My experience with penalties is that they are like fouls in basketball. They are usually the result of one team physically dominating the other. And it's usually a matter of quickness. Blake Fisher got called for holding when a much quicker DE beat him off the ball and he tackled him. ND only had 40 yards in penalties so I don't think it was a major factor.
I don't think is was a factor at all. It's just the whole season whenever we've played in ACC stadiums the refs seem to be, well, not big Irish fans. I think that the winning streak we had vs ACC opponents was an embarrassment to the conference.
No to change the subject but... I mentioned our cruise earlier. We've been really concerned about our ship getting from Rome to Dubai through the Suez Canal. You never know with those crazies over there. Well today she went through the canal. Found an escort. In this picture the Edge is directly in front and her escort is in front of her.....the Ike.
Hard to argue with Tim Pristers take on the game.
What a perplexingly poor offensive game plan against a Clemson team reeling from injuries and the disappointment of losing its last two games to fall to 4-4. It was reminiscent strategically of the Ohio State game when the Irish ran the football effectively against the Buckeyes and nearly came away with a victory despite scoring just 14 points.
The difference, of course, was that the Tigers had 24 points at halftime and Notre Dame’s offense needed to chase much more than they did against Ohio State when the deficit was just three early in the second half.
There was never a point during this game that the Irish had a legitimate passing attack. Notre Dame didn’t complete more than one pass in a drive until midway through the second quarter when – trailing 24-6 – Hartman completed four passes, including a 21-yarder to Chris Tyree and a 10-yarder to Tobias Merriweather for his lone catch of the day.
It was as if the Irish – namely offensive coordinator Gerad Parker -- would be able to squeeze out a victory on the road with little more than hammering the line of scrimmage with Estime. It was a foolhardy notion.
Honestly, I don’t know what to say about that game.
While it was 2 plays that cost us the game...1. Muff leads to 3 points 2 pick six is 7 ...total 10 and we lost by eight. But it's more complicated than that, its the inability of the defense to control Mafrah the RB and the total failure of the offense.
Estime touched the ball three times in the second half.
National Signing Day yesterday and Coach Shrewsberry brought in 3 players. Tone around the program is as I have said before very good. I don't think we can expect this team to be a NCAA Tournament team but hopefully they will learn and grow as the season goes on. That will be success. These 3 playes are all good young players who will contribute to building the Irish Men back into a good ACC team.
Coach Ivey hasn't released a list, Kate Korval is the only one who has given a verbal so maybe Coach has a suprise and is waiting on another domino. Korval is one of the top players in the country.
Not sure if it is authentic or not but I read a news story yesterday that ND is crafting the buyout and dismissal of its O-Coordinator.
I won't be shocked if they do, question is who will they go after to replace him?
With apology to Bobda, it's typical Michigan hubris.
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