ND Recruiting

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  1. Sid

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    I apologize, George. It was meant in in jest, but I've never been known for having a good sense of humor. :oops:
     
  2. Terry O'Keefe

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    George is a gurly man, yah. Don't apologize!! :)
     
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    I feel like I'm a marked man. I offended the godfather. I'll be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life. :(
     
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    not a good move insulting the masculinity of The Don:

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    Bobda,

    If I wasn't so nervous, I'd think that was funny.
     
  6. George Krebs

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    You guys are great, thanks for the belly laugh :D :D :D :D

    By the way I wonder what the exclusive is in "behind closed doors" :shock:
     
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    TOK: Sid, you can't go.

    Sid (after pausing and looking around): Terry, can't you help me here........for old time' sake?

    TOK: Can't do it, Siddy.

    Sid: Tell George it was only business.

    (TOK rolls his eyes)

    Sid enters the front passenger seat. Gipper is driving, and AJ is in the back seat....................
     
  9. George Krebs

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    Here is a quote from Jonas Gray talking about Coach Kelly during an interview with Blue & Gold's Wes Morgan:
     
  11. George Krebs

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    Jonas Gray is a good soldier. Sid and I differ on the subject of Brian Kelly. Here is an excerpt of an interview with "Offensive Coordinator" Chuck Martin:

    "He is still going to probably be more heavily involved in offense than any BCS coach. That’s the nature of who he’s always been. The difference is that he’s also realized after two years at Notre Dame that there’s also much higher demands on the head coaching position here than any other place he’s been.

    “The general that is leading the troops isn’t sitting in the trenches day to day with the troops making sure that the troops are doing exactly what the general wants. There’s somebody else in the trenches, and that’s where we come in — not only me but the other offensive coaches and the offensive grad assistants. We want his offense to look like the way it’s supposed to look like. It’s just about execution."

    This is a very telling passage, particularly the first sentence. This is what I feel is the crux of his problem. And the first sentence of the second paragraph seems to be in direct contradiction to Jonas Gray's synopsis where he says that Kelly is in the middle of everything.

    Another potential problem is that assistant coach Tony Alford is talking to the Green Bay Packers. He would be the 3rd or 4th coach to leave and he is the best recruiter. Keep your fingers crossed.
     
  12. Sid

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    George, while you and I may differ, I respect your opinion........and your avatar. :wink:
     
  13. George Krebs

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    Sid,

    I want this guy to succeed. I just wish he was more of a CEO and less of a floor manager.

    You can't see the whole field when you're standing in the huddle.
     
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    Good point. I know that I often have blinders on. I respect your perspective and those of others here. That respect causes me to recognize that I'm not always being objective. One reason I so enjoy this group is that in the end we all want the same thing, and we can talk about our differences via mature and rational discourse (with moi being the occasional exception :roll: ).
     
  15. Terry O'Keefe

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    CEO coach vs Coach who either runs the offense or defense depending on which side of the ball he comes from.

    You can find successful coaches of both types. Mack Brown certainly is a CEO coach, Steve Spurrier at the height of his success was always in total control of the offense, he screamed at his QB's every bit as much as Kelly does probably more, his spiking of the vision and the looks on his face became legendary. Jon Grunden the apple of many ND fans was also a total control freak with his offense and every bit as animated or more than Kelly. Tyrone Willingham was a CEO coach.

    I'm not sure you could say that one type is more likely to be successful than the other type, kind of like most people want a "players" coach if the last coach who failed was a strict disciplinarian, and want a disciplinarian if the last guy was a "playes" coach.

    Also you can't really put a lot into what players say about their coaches. I mean the team walked out arm in arm with Charlie for his last home game...which of course the promptly lost. They loved Charlie, even today ask Zibby, ask Brady, ask Jeff S, they all still have good things to say about Charlie. Texas A&M players rallied behind Franchionne, they were devestated when Sherman was fired.
     
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    Excellent observations, Terry. I have a historical ND example to support your comparisons.

    I recall when Lou Holtz left and Davie was hired. Davie had been the DC during Brian's senior year. Brian had watched him curry favor with the players in several ways, one of which was speaking their lingo. He was the antithesis of Lou Holtz in terms of how he interacted with the players. When Davie was named head coach, Brian expressed his concern to me that he was too much of a players' coach to be able to have the success that Holtz had. Time proved his concern to be well-founded.
     
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    Alford has decided to stay in South Bend which is very good news.
     
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    <t>Just thought I'd drop a note to let u all know I'm still here and well. Just been in a period of mourning and depression with the absolute collapse of the recruiting class for this year. I'll be O.k. By the time spring ball comes around.</t>
     
  19. HUSKERMAN-HUSKERFAN

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    AJ: Hey how ya doin Siddy....

    Gipper: Let's go get some Cannoli...
     
  20. Terry O'Keefe

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