p.s. I would bet that the drunk driving numbers have increased in South Bend since the campus decided to 'clean up' the drinking on campus situation. I would further contend that the ratio of students drinking hasn't gone up at all from say...the 1970s.. I'd bet it might even be lower now. However, policy changes take the same group of kids that use to be able to go from dorm to dorm partying and now put them on the road...forced off-campus to continue doing what has always, and will always go on in college.
We've talked about this before. I agree completely with George. My son-in-law is an excise policeman here in Indiana. There is an important element in this scenario.....The excise police almost never initiate actions without complaints. It was reported that neighbors had complained about the noise and the raucous activity at that party. Because of the published advance notice, it's highly likely that this was not the first party at that location and that prior complaints had led to the team being formed and ready to strike. So I ask, what's wrong with safeguarding the rights of the neighbors to a peaceful existence, much less safeguarding the community from the reckless conduct of these young people? The players caught were incredibly stupid on several levels.
One of the news articles, in fact, mentioned that the crackdown was a result of numerous and ongoing complaints. Hey, listen. I was no choirboy. When I was in team sports I attended more than a couple of "keggers". But we went to great lengths not to publicize or hold them in areas that were likely to arouse suspicion. Most of the time we were in the woods or somebody's barn! I'm guessing Mike Golic, Sr. is not as dismissive about this as some of us are. As far as Yeatman, they ran idiots like that out of town on rail 100 years ago. Just got off a DUI now this? Sid backs me up on a key point. Police are busy.... this kind of duty is mainly a nuisance to them.
I'm not buying this..I know that the enforcement of drinking laws on campus have forced the activity that players/students once performed on campus into the off-campus housing. In Minnesota, we had a 'no over the bridge' rule... That rule was as followed: You can do whatever the hell you want to in Minnesota, but if you go over the bridge into Wisconsin.. you will get arrested and we will not bail you out...(literally). It worked. Charlie needs something similar..
Well, let me offer this, do you really want a bunch of Partiers or a bunch of Football Players? e.g., BYU. Yeah, a considerable amount of them probably drink and have a good time, now and then. But let's look at it in this way; (1) If your a good enough player, you were more than likely given a full ride or a considerable scholarship: IN TODAYS TIMES, THAT'S A FUC%ING GOLD MINE. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO JEPORDIZE THAT? Answer: Because they're young men and need to blow off steam, as we males in America accept/understand it. ********. Stick your head out the window and tell me the times haven't changed. There are no free lunches anymore. e.g., Oklahoma ( Feel free to ask me about that one) This crap about party (Hard) now and grow up later is a bunch of BS!! Get the *&^%ING job done when your young (While you have the motivation and energy) and then party later. If you like to party now, you'll want to later also. SET YOURSELF UP FOR SUCCESS NOW! If you're held to a higher standard than the rest of the schmucks in the USA, so be it. I had to endure the same thing as a MARINE, with less accolades. If I had the misfortune of having a DUI out in town, I would have been subjected to double trouble once it reached the Commanding Officer ears. I REPRESENTED THE USA. It ain't about Animal House anymore folks, Underage Drinking is outa control and has no benefits that I can see. ???
That drinking goes on at every school. Even the top 10, even the mighty Blue Hens of Delaware , even the vaunted Huskers... there are no exceptions. I would argue, strongly, that underage drinking is not out of control. In fact, due to the rise of straight edge and various church-related youth programs that underage drinking is on the decline. Oh sure you can prop up some bullsh*t stat put together by someone getting paid to find a pre-set outcome. When I was a kid, everyone drank.. Even the scholars.. the Pakastani kid who went to MIT at 15 years old, the debate team, the MUN team and even the athletes.. That was in the late 80s/early 90s. I was surprised to see a genuine shift while coaching to kids who really didn't drink.. Even at UMD (which is a rather hard core drinking school by midwestern standards) I'd bet that as much as 35% of our team didn't drink at all.. We even had conversations as a staff regarding this. Our HC was in HS in the late 60s and in college in the early 70s.. His experiences were similar to mine in the late 80s/early 90s... Yet somehow we are attending all of these damned meetings about 'out of control drinking and the youth of today.' It is hogwash. People often buy into this because they remember their youth and remember that they (and their friends) drank... So their kids must be too. I really think you'd be surprised. Its quite possible that Coach Hanna and I just ran around with the 2 biggest packs of sinners ever to grace the sports field..but I doubt it. *post edited to remove any and all reptilian reference so as to not confuse anyone*
Amen, Huskerman. Now lean back in your easy chair, tilt that jug, and toast yourself with some of those corn squeezins.... :wink:
You know what Corey, you undermine your own argument when you find it necessary to use the opportunity to take a slam at other schools, I mean the Gators and Huskers of course. I don't see what those two schools have to do with the discussion at hand any more than a number of other schools. You make it hard to agree with your point even when you might have a legitimate point.
it isn't a slam Bill. i am saying that it goes on everywhere. if you would feel better, i can go back and put buckeyes, boilermakers or whatever other represented group here on skybox you'd like.
btw <t>post edited...<br/> <br/> The mascot that dare not speak its name is removed... the point stands.. (and you are right, the Gators have nothing to do with it... ) this crap has goes on at every school. It always has, it always will.</t>
another report http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/29367864.html 2 people's reaction to the same evening. It sounds a lot more like the 'mess' was more of a problem than the noise..
I don't disagree with that Corey, and obviously you either missed or ignored my point. Like I said I'm not shocked that drinking goes on in a college town. However I also think George and AJ make very good points.
So the point was.... I was diminishing my original point by taking a slam at the Gators/Huskers (when I wasn't)....or?
So anyway, here is another perspective on the massive bust. It turns out that: 1. No neighbors complained. 2. An officer drove by and made the call that 'under age kids were drinking' 3. They raided the house with a joint task force representing 4 different agencies. 4. They were actually driving around following a checklist of places to bust when they stumbled upon this one. Now would someone again like to tell me that they have 'something better to do'..?? because I agree with you... violent crime and drugs are at big city levels yet they have massive 'raid squads' driving around busting party houses?!?!? You can read the rest here. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26847171/
Charlie said today that he's still evaluating the situation and that Yeatman will continue to practice with the team but will not play until the situation is resolved. That seems reasonable, although the complicating factor of his being on probation could come into play here. If the Judge comes down hard on him then he could be gone for the rest of the year. I think the real worry for Yeatman and ND football is wheter or not the University will expell him or not. If he is expelled then I would imagine that would be that. I think some kids who are expelled for academic reasons like Julius Jones and Pat Kuntz and a few others can make it back after a year away getting their academics inorder. But I doubt if Yeatman would be allowed to come back.
Corey, I will respect your advocacy underage drinking and you desire to portray police as having nothing better to do than harass teens and young adults if you promise to check back with me when your son reaches the age of 17. I would be interested if your perspective changes a little at that time. Been there. Done that.
Will do George. BTW, did you check to read that article? The situation is exactly as you guys said it wasn't.