No doubt Tenn is the SEC leader in getting out and around the country to play good OOC games. You guys have been from Syracuse to L.A to South Bend...nobody in the SEC can even come close to what Tenn has done with the OOC schedule.
Not entirely fair...Youngstown State is, as far as I know, the only I-AA team we have ever "feasted on" and they go deep in the I-AA championship playoff almost yearly and have won it several times. If we "feast" on anybody it's MAC teams and Cincinnitti, etc. Two years ago our non-conf. schedule was Northern Illiniois (MAC), Cincy, Bowling Green (MAC), and Texas (away). MAC teams seem to have a habit of beating middle of the pack teams from the large conferences, so I hardly think of them as patsies to be feasted on. Heck, NIU is on your schedule this year, aren't they? Anyway I've no issue with Tenn's schedule...actually no problem with Fla's except that they have that one little wart...but we aren't ever allowed to bring that up 'cause it's an "old argument" unlike all the brand new stuff a certain party is always posting.
Stu <t>I am pretty sure some (not all) SEC fans have a Pac10 exemption.. that is.. the games don't count and are erased from your memory if the Pac10 team wins..</t>
....as everyone knows, the rest of our inferior conference competition don't seem to find it difficult at all.....why is it that your mouth moves in direct contradiction to the on the field experiences of your Gators. Our record -v- the SEC in bowl games is abysmal, I would look like a fool to call the SEC inferior, that it sucks, to suggest the competition is unworthy. Your record -v- the Big 10 is pitiful, one of your own has stated to you that you don't have the pedigree to criticize the Big 10 in light of your woeful record on the field, why is it that you continue????? Surely you realize how foolish that is.....dude, it is the Black Knight syndrome to the core. Isn't it best to remain silent and be thought a fool rather than to speak up and remove all doubt? When you expose yourself in public, don't whine when everyone comments on the inadequacies of your package..... [/quote]
That is absolutely priceless......M's tradition has very, very few rivals. You can count those with M's pedigree over the course of the last century on one hand. To somehow suggest that beating your Gators in Orlando in a game between two conference also-rans in the freakin' Cap One Bowl is anything more than a nice holiday outing for the kids and a fine going away gift for Coach Carr is....well, it's pure, classic MCG. Dude, we played a game. Your kids won. Congrats. Its history. Get over it. You now share a common bond with Case Western Reserve, Oberlin and Ohio Wesleyan. Perhaps you can share stories with some of their alums in your declining years....
Krebsie, thanks for the entertainment....I have no doubt that it was one of Notre Dames's best wins and certainly ranks as one of their top bowl wins.... 8)
BT, We Irish fans have to reach deep in the archives for good moments but that one was a timeless classic.
As fun and satisfying as it was in the '92 Sugar Bowl to stick it to a smug and overconfident Florida team who thought they were going to roll over us, that victory cannot even squeeze into the top ten all-time ND wins. If MCG had a memory longer than a minute and had some appreciation for history, he would remember what it felt like back then to be on the other side of a whipping when you were the overwhelming favorite. But noooooo..........He's needs to enjoy his 15 minutes of fame by sticking it to OSU over and over and over. Trust me. It will come home to roost. Don't know when, but it will happen. Always does.......eventually.
Michigan was a decided underdog...Florida was playing in it's backyard and Lloyd Carr was retiring and yet the Maize and Blue gave it everything they had with seniors and other exiting players leading the way and they pulled out a tough win over the defending national champion who had the current Heisman winner on the roster. Trust me...given Michigan's lousy bowl record in the last 20 or so years the Michigan fans think this was one of their best bowl wins as I SAID....EXCEPT for a few ROSE Bowls.....nice selectivity of words there when you can't list the entire comment. That IS what I meant Aquila ( I think it should have been obvious ) so Tenn HAS to schedule national non-con home and homes with teams of all sorts or they feast annually on Chattanooga instead. UF has that annual non-con tilt with FSU so anything else like Miami for a non-con is extra gravy on the schedule toughness scale. Tenn is the SEC travel "leader" as Terry likes to say because they DO NOT have any other annual non-con opponent. What is so friggin hard to understand about this folks? This link is for YOU BT....please see the 9-5 record Florida has vs. the Big Ten.... :lol: 8) http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/florida/vs_conf.php Let's see you turn that one around.....oh and by the way your team looked like crap in Ann Arbor vs. a one armed Qb and OSU frittered away the resultant best field position an offense could ever hope to get and it was no surprise to me after I saw that anemic effort vs. Michigan to see LSU manhandle the Buckeye's offense. And you can choose not to believe me but it (the Michigan game) played a huge part in my negative assessment of OSU's chances vs. LSU. Sorta like what USC is bound to do in September.....book it!
No doubt there was an emotional factor with Carr's impending retirement, but Michigan didn't look like they were playing with desperation. If anything, they looked like the team they were projected to be prior to their season-opening loss to Appalachian State. Several times it appeared that Florida's secondary was either not well-prepared or just flat that day. Michigan played a solid game.
Right on both counts. Michigan's offense was healthy and motivated and playing up to their potential while Florida's defense had an off day in what was an off season for the defense due to inexperience.
Perhaps you can find a local community college offering a course in sportsmanship, MCG? You're like an itch that can't be scratched. When you win you talk about it for years. When you lose you alibi about it for years. Half of us are yawning. The other half half are chuckling.
George....are you just choosing to read what I write and then ignore BT? BT has a lot to say....and it absolutely begs and pleads for response. I have a hard time turning the other cheek I guess.....uh oh...I feel a BDR pic coming on..... Where's the alibi here George? All I have said is that Michigan had great veteran players especially on offense and these guys were finally all healthy and motivated by Carr's retirement and the Wolverines played very well against a Florida defense that was young and played inconsistently all year. Where is the "alibi" in that assessment? I have never made excuses for how Florida played vs. Michigan but I will excuse Michigan's offense for the extremely poor showing vs. Ohio State because of Henne's injury primarily. I wouldn't be talking about the UM-OSU or the Florida-UM games at all except for the 100th time BT has used that as his only Big Ten-SEC barometer instead of looking at his own team's performance vs. Florida and the SEC. How about this for a barometer.....going back to the 1995 season the Big Ten is 10-21 vs. the SEC except for Michigan....which is itself 6-2 vs. the SEC in that time. Hail to the Victors! Go Blue! ( please see my topic where I invite UM to join the SEC since they are worthy )
Well, we'uns were just theorizing that your TV ratings would improve if your SOS would improve, by perhaps limiting your exposure to the hapless B10. However since it seems that UM now has the SEC Seal Of Approval you are in good shape. Nice contract, btw!
I don't know where to start..... You have already evidenced to us your keen insights on that game.....the weather was not inclement, there was no precipitation, the weather was not a factor in the game and Mike Hart didn't play and Beanie Wells "sputtered" his way to 200+ yards - all right on the money as are the rest of your thoughtful observations. :roll: This is getting terribly repetitive.....I can't make it any more clear....You have made the claim that our Big 10 opponents "suck", our competition is "inferior" and our resume "weak" and "unworthy". I responded as follows: Our competition - recent conference champs this decade most would agree this has been our primary competitors- M, PSU, Iowa, and Wisky have a combined record of 11 wins and 6 losses against their SEC counterparts in bowl games over the last decade. In fact, over the past ten years, our "inferior" competition has a superior record in head to head match ups -v- their SEC counterparts. FACT. Your emperor has no clothes.....it's nonsense. Your Gators - again over the last decade - sport a fancy 2-4 record -v- the Big 10., yet you trash talk the conference, in spite of having lost 2 out of every 3 games you play against them.....you look foolish making such a claim in the face of those facts. You are more successful playing against SEC competition than you are when you face Big 10 competition. FACT. Your emperor has no clothes.....it's nonsense. You want me to talk about Ohio State's record -v- the SEC? I have already said that it sucks. Nothing more need be said. In the face of such a record, it would be foolish of me to claim that the SEC "sucks", is inferior, or is unworthy. I have always said that the SEC is a fine, fine conference. My responses have been in defense of your incessant insults and criticisms and with the intention of interjecting a little fact to the discussion of your ongoing rants. If you want to go back in history and discuss records and compare pedigrees, that is fine also....lets just make sure we go all the way back rather than arbitrarily picking a date when somebody's program has become relevant.....our first championship was in 1906, yours was 1991. How far back do you want to go? Comparing pedigrees is not something that you want to do..... You keep going around and around so much continuing to beat on the same thing that I have come to the conclusion that you are the only person on the planet that could have a circle jerk without inviting another participant. Beat away.....Stu, cue the music.
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Tom, It's clear to everybody that this is a one man obsession....you, Bill and the rest of the SEC faithful around here have been vastly more rational and mature in the discussion. Thank God for that.....