I think Miles has come out and said he would be the LSU coach next season. As a matter of fact, I think he was specifically asked that by one of the famale sports reporters right after the SEC Championship game.
Corey and JO'Co are correct about the media piling on ND. People outside the ND family would not notice it, but believe me, it's been going on since Lou Holtz's last couple of years, especially since the year we went to the Fiesta Bowl with a 6-4-1 record. Urban Meyer has nothing to do with it. He represents just one brief chapter in the 12-13 year long saga. I would suggest that Florida fans not take personally any reference to him by ND fans, who, if they have half a brain, must respect him as a coach and a man. I know I do. And by all means, Florida fans or any other fans are in no position to judge the emotions of ND fans who are at the heart of this consistent media attitude. You live in your world, we live in ours, and the twain simply does not meet. You other fans may be incredulous that the facts Corey has described can happen, because your program likely never has been targeted by the media in the way ND is targeted. It's the price we pay for being who we are in the college football world. Trust me, what I am saying is entirely true. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that we hope for a return to greatness someday, preferably sooner rather than later, because that is the only way we will find some level of peace from media hacks like Mohr.
Sid, I would suggest that if we let the media continue to bother any of us we can be in for a long and troubling life. Who cares what the talking heads say, especially several years later. I was really angry last year at Herbstreet and a number of the ESPN talking heads for what seemed to us Gators a concentrated effort to keep the Gators out of the BCS Championship game. Unfortunately as Corey pointed out in another topic the talking heads all to often like to make the news instead of reporting the news. What I am saying is that it doesn't pay to just go back and keep digging up stuff, there's a time to let it go and move on. Notre Dame football is going to be just fine, especially with the recruiting classes they have gotten the last three years. If Corey isn't over dramatizing, he at least needs to ignore the assholes and enjoy life.
I am enjoying life just fine Bill <t>and again, you continue to call me out personally.<br/> <br/> However, you've now heard from Sid, JOCO and Tim all telling you that I am right on the button here. Gipper hasn't addressed my posts directly, but I know he agrees with me. <br/> <br/> I've moved on. I back our coach 100%. You seem to suggest that I am stuck in some circle re-living this nightmare of of the media storm that went on during our coaching search.<br/> <br/> That simply is not true, I am just relaying to you what happened. I was trying to give you some perspective as to where Tim was coming from. Again, you can say I am wrong all you want but that doesn't make it so...<br/> <br/> There is a difference between the ability to accurately recall events of the past, and actually living in the past.<br/> <br/> Call me out personally all you want, but I'm not the only person that remembers it this way. We do wonder why the media doesn't give Michigan the same treatment....but only for a moment.<br/> <br/> Its that passing moment that it takes you to realize that no matter how much those same talking heads say you (meaning ND) aren't important... their own actions reveal the reality.. It reveals their jealousy and petty nature.. It reveals the agenda in their body of work, both short and long term.<br/> <br/> I am fine with this, I was just trying to give you some perspective on where Tim is coming from on this subject. Instead, I got called out personally, told I was living in the past...AND mistaken about the events of our previous coaching search...despite the fact that the other ND fans have told you I'm right. <br/> <br/> To each their own..</t>
I couldn't agree more. I don't let it bother me because I know these folks live in their own world of smoke and mirrors. I was just confirming that the bias is very evident to ND fans, 98% of whom move on. Bill, you got a taste of it last year but your victory shut them up just long enough for them to move on to the next topic du jour. That's what I hope for for ND, that we can get back toward the top so that we can remove at least one favorite topic of the many media idiots who infiltrate an otherwise noble profession. Unfortunately, the profession's nobility keeps taking huge hits to the point where there is very little credibility within their ranks these days.
Corey, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong here, but I can't help but point out one thing: You are using the opinions of several rabid Notre Dame fans to back up your memories as fact. Do you see how that might not come across as the most objective evidence? :?:
Well said Scott. It's that way about most things around here.....but that is acceptable to me because it's the nature of the member mix we have. Some things you have to expect if not embrace.
Nothing personal Corey, I'm not really calling you out personally, but am taking exception to some of the things you say and how you said them. I am really glad you have moved on, because it didn't really sound that way to me. And I am not saying you are wrong about what some people did, but that it isn't as widespread as you think. I think Scott makes a good point. I might also observe that the observations by fans of a school as to how they are being mistreated are not usually the most objective. If I used everything I read on GatorCountry as fact I would be paranoid. But hey Corey, I happen to like to read your posts and am extremely glad you are posting. I am sure you understand that at times you are provocative and I think many times you expect to have people disagree with you, I frequently oblige! :twisted: :twisted: I still hope to meet the Notre Dame crew at one of your annual game meeting one day.
I'm going to have to weigh in here and say that as an Alabama fan I have had to take the brunt of negativity from the media specifically for the last 10 years or so and generally for a lot longer than that. I've said it before but it's funny, as an Alabama fan I always felt we were fighting the national Notre Dame fan base and the subsequent media support. I and a lot of other Alabama fans figured that all things being equal the national media would give Notre Dame the edge in whatever discussion or poll we were competing in and we were on the losing end of that bias. :?:
That's interesting kp. I guess it points out that everyone lives in their own world and we all see things in a different way depending on our perspective. I was not at all aware of Alabama viv-a-vis ND, but after reading your post, I can see where your perspective was different from mine.
SID!!! Everyone needs to read what was just written. It applies to us all. (Not so much to me, thanks to the Aggies being consigned to football irrelevance for the last 5 or 6 years!)
KP Consider this carefully, as far as the national media is concerned, they are for the large part a liberal group. We know from polls done of the press corps that aprox. 90% of media consider themselves "liberals." Now with that being said, there has been a culture war raging in this country between the left and the "religious right." Organized religion has been seen as the enemy of liberalism. Now with that as a starting point, just where do you think that this "media bias" in favor of ND is coming from? If there were ANY media bias IN FAVOR of ND, ND would have won the NC in 89 or 93. The logic for voting against them in both years was exactly 180 degrees. We also have to put up with poll voter like Steve Spurrier who unabashedly admits that he always "knocks Notre Dame down a few spots" just because. So if ND gets little if any support from the liberal, national media, and no support from fellow conference coaches, just where is the bias coming from that puts Alabama on the losing end?
Gipper, Do you think that the perception that we are all racists in Alabama and we are in the heart of the "Bible Belt" endears us to those liberals? Having said that, I'm not sure that the liberality of the media you refer to trickles down to sports fans and writers. The popularity of southern football in general and Alabama football in particular has hisorically,I think, been regional at best. Ask MCG how much Floridians love Alabama football? I would venture to say that the vast majority of Alabama football fans either live in Alabama or are from Alabama. We have always been the slack-jawed, banjo playing hicks. You know "run, Forest, run"! That doesn't give us much of a basis for nationwide support. I have always figured that most Notre Dame fans do not have the same ties to Indiana. They are from across the country and provide a much wider basis for nationwide support. I see Notre Dame merchandise in Maryland, I never see Alabama merchandise in Maryland. As a matter of fact I very seldom see Alabama merchandise anywhere but in Alabama :!:
few things <r>Scott,<br/> <br/> If I hadn't moved on as Bill suggested, I am sure I could link you to a stream of "ND is dead and will never be back" articles that followed the canning of Ty. I can't, nor will I waste the time finding them, because I have moved on. I was just trying to provide some definition as to where Tim was coming from on this subject.. And let's not forget, there is a bit of an ND/Michigan thing going on here as well.<br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> True Bill, but remember that <B><s></s>this<e></e></B> ND fan came down on the side of Alabama in how it was treated by the NCAA and the media. <br/> <br/> KP,<br/> <br/> You and Bryan have my undying respect here as you've gotta set of brass ones IMHO. You've stuck through it here when most Bama fans retreat back to the comfort of Tider insider or other such 'my team only' fanboards. Nothing wrong with those places, but you still come around and face what most likely will be considered as 'not always Bama friendly' sports talk.<br/> <br/> Gip,<br/> <br/> I can see where Bama is coming from and in re KP's particular point (Bama vs ND), I think that the national media is no fan of Alabama. I think they have to carry the burdens that are cast out by the Bull Conner's of Alabama.. that's how most of Americans sees the place.<br/> <br/> The Alabama I live in is very much like the Southern California I grew up in. I love Florence. Its a good mix of the die-hard, born and raised, Bama country boys mixed in with a ton of folks from the North or West that are moving here with the jobs. Some fast growing cities like Madison are so 'Northern' that you could probably spend all day Christmas shopping in that city and not meet 20 people actually FROM Alabama.<br/> <br/> Still, they bear the cross of days gone by and a lot of Alabama fans have a strong resentment towards ND because they feel ND got the nod in the polls of the 60s and 70s for reasons other than football. Off-base, maybe, but I can at least see where they are coming from on it.</r>
As I recall, ND and Ala. played 4 times in the 60's and 70's. Three of those games were in the South. ND won all 4. And Tide fans thought that they were getting short shrift in the polls! I think that they thought in 1966 when MSU and ND tied that that should have eliminated both teams. It is and always has been more than just about the records. Ask Hawaii.
No, Corey, I was not trying to suggest that. I was just trying to point out to a serial Michigan basher about glass houses and stone throwing but,after the post, realized that it was waste of time to point out irony to the obtuse.
Fair enough Bobda <t>I was trying to shed some light on where Tim may well be coming from on this subject, but that point too appeared to vanish in the sunset. Personally, I think you take a lot of cr@p from us unfairly. You have always represented the "Michigan man" well. To us, you've been the exception. But again, that could all be perspective of each individual poster.<br/> <br/> So back to your coaching search.....<br/> <br/> Are you of the camp that Miles will still bolt after the bowl game?<br/> <br/> Does Kelly strike you as the answer?<br/> <br/> I would suggest that your AD would be taking heat here, but since Washington's AD decided to play 'pin your career to the loser' the spotlight seems to be lifted from him a bit.<br/> <br/> Any good news out of your camp?</t>