What I recalled about Charlie's "complaints" was that he talked only about the kids and not about other coaches......selective memory, I guess. Apparently, Terry's steel trap memory recalls him saying something about other coaches. I stand corrected. I also agree with Gip's post above. I'm sure all of us do, regardless of our school loyalties. I guess to what extent we agree depends on whether we are in the "win some" or "lose some" column. :wink:
And Gipper did Notre Dame get any last minute players from elsewhere? I really don't remember, but I would be that if they had a 5 star recruit that had been commited elsewhere that now wanted to go to Notre Dame that they would have been greeted with open arms. Also was there not a change in defensive philosophy at Notre Dame that affected Trattou?
Bill, you were posting this at the same time I was editing my post above to say..... So I guess we are in agreement on this "issue". :wink:
We do win some lose some, and Charlie did accept Brian Smith who while not a 5* LB was still an important part of the Iowa Class(might be a 4*kid). He had been committed to Iowa for quite awhile. The story is that his dad called Charlie and Charlie told them they had to call Frentz before he'd invite Brian to ND for a visit. They did, Frentz wasn't happy (naturally) pulled the offer. Brian accepted ND's offer that weekend of his visit (I think). Brian's Dad played at Notre Dame, but Charlie felt like he had better options at LB and didn't offer him early. As things panned out we lost out on Donald and Edwards, so his Dad figured he didn't have anything to lose by calling Charlie and seeing if he'd take another look at Brian. It's one of those I'm glad but I'm embarassed situations. But it's the new reality in recruiting. Terry
So let me get this straight Bill, after you're caught with a short class, and you get a call from a player who is interested in your school and who's had his offer pulled by the school that recruited him, you're supposed to just sit there and do nothing? Again your arguement is "well you did it too." So who did Tratou replace at Florida that decommitted at the last minute?
Corley committed to UF in April 2006. By the time school started in late summer of 2006, Corley (rather his father) was claiming to be a firm commit to UF but was going to look around, most likely Alabama and Auburn. This continued through October when he decided to add LSU and Oklahoma to his visit list. In late December he still cliamed to be a firm commit to UF. Finally, in late January 2007, the day after Trattou verbals to UF, Corley cancels his visit to UF and says he's no longer a UF commit. He signed with LSU. I believe UF did not feel comfortable with Corley's commit for some time before going after Trattou. For how long ....... who really knows.
You're wrong gipper, my argument is not that you did it to as if I'm defending anything. We recruited to the bell and that is what I hope my coach contines to do and it's ok with me if your coach does also. However I did point out that far from you would like us to believe that Notre Dame does much the same thing. If you don't believe so then you are more naive (probably spelled wrong) than I thought you were.
You're flat out wrong Bill but that never got in your way before. There's no evidence at all that CW was recruiting anyone else's commits before he lost Trattou. And it appears that after that happened, a recruit's father, who played for ND saw an opportunity to fill a void left by Trattou's loss. Rationalize it anway you want but having already seen one BS response about Corley, I've been expecting another. Thanks for not disappointing.
I'm not rationalizing anything gipper that's your forte. It's a matter of record that one of Charlies assistents was text messaging recruits that had commited elsewhere, that's recruiting in case you don't understand. But it's no big deal it's called recruiting. Just don't give me the holier than thou routine as it doen't hold water.
You justify stealing someone's food because after you did, they took someone else's offer of food. Stick that "holier than thou" crap up your ass.
You justify stealing someone's food because after you did, they took someone else's offer of food. Stick that "holier than thou" crap up your ass. (I stayed out of this conversation until you came up with that Armando Allen example. At that point you crossed the line. You are completely full of it.)
You are an amazing guy gipper. I casually mention Amando Allen and you go off the deep end. For the record I don't mnd that he is at Notre Dame not a bit. I don't know what crawled up you rear but the holier than thou statement fits whether you like it or not. For the rest of you rational Notre Dame fans I don't have any problem with any player you have recruited from Florida at all. Congratulations you got several good ones the Gators wanted. But that's the recruiting game. I hope no one else read my comments in the preverted manner gipper did because that is not the way they were intended. gipper you are way to smart to go off the deep end like this but have fun, it's no surprise to me.
OK let's recap Losing Trattou is just like losing Allen. (sure losing a player in the fall is any where near losing a player a week before NOI date. ) To justify taking Trattou a Fls. poster points out that it was to replace Corley. Corley doesn't decommit to Fla. until he feels shafted by the Gators when they recruit Trattou just before NOI Day. With no other BS to throw, out comes the "holier than thou" crap. Then the smug reply.
I guess we all need a timeout on this subject. What's happened is done, and I need to just move on. In the end our getting beat soundly by USC and then LSU was probably a bigger factor in losing some critical recruits down at the end than any coaches continuing to recruit our guys. It didn't use to be that way as much and I liked it better, but it's that way now and all the coaches have to adjust their thinking, as well as us fans. G'night.
I guess that success on the field is the overriding factor. Why else would recruits choose powerhouse Illinois over ND. If you believe that than you'd believe that a recruit would pick a school to get his education at is determined by what defensive allignment they play. Unbelievable but true?
Some day gipper I may be able to follow your logic, but since you want to attribute things to me that I didn't say I doubt I ever will. I agree with Terry, good night.