Ah... then the O'Bannon case shouldn't worry them. But they are sweating bullets right now. To be honest, I'm not sure how many times they've been sued. I actually thought the ski kid had a case... You can play pro baseball, and if it doesn't work out you can still play NCAA football. Why can't you ski and get paid, as well as be an amateur football player?
Well it's certainly a case with much bigger implications than a football player wanting to capitalize on his Ski career.
Little League isn't specifically marketing and cashing in on the kids images. They aren't selling 'Player X' jerseys. I'm not sure you guys are totally grasping this. The NCAA has forever stated that they clearly do not do something because it would violate the very spirit of their by-laws. What Jay Bilas did was catch them red handed doing it. There's no way around it. That didn't get there by accident. It wasn't an 'oops' and the site designer certainly didn't put that there on his own. Someone from the NCAA specifically had to tell them to do that..
Not totally grasping this? I don't think you are totally grasping what you really want. What the NCAA site was doing maybe was hypocritical but not harming anybody. What you want is to burn everything down, so that a few guys can make money off of their image/name/whatever.
Maybe I'm an idealist but I think an opportunity at the total college experience + playing high profile athletics at no cost is plenty of compensation for an 18-22 year old kid. When you start giving them allowances and allow them to market team related memorabilia for cash then you are turning them into professionals. Who on this board would pay anything for a Johnny Manziel autograph? Or any college kid?
No kidding. I wouldn't pay a dime for an autograph. But if you are going to let kids get money from jersey sales, who gets the money from the sale of the #5 ND jersey? Paul Hornung, Manti Te'o, Everett Golson? What about #3, do you give the money to Joe Montana, Rick Mire or Ron Powlus?
Uh.......OK....if you say so. I guess George, Terry, and I don't have the ability to look objectively at an issue - without an agenda - and parse the logic, or lack thereof, on both sides, then come to a reasonable conclusion. Where, oh where, did we go wrong? :? ....and who gets the money from the sale of the #23 jersey? Autrey Denson or Brian Baker? Brian hasn't decided yet if he's going to enter the lawsuit. :lol: Seriously, check out this link and tell me how you are going to divide the proceeds among the former players and the estates or families of the former all-time great deceased players. http://history.hikend.com/numbers.html
No, you are totally off base. I want the NCAA to follow their own god damned rules. Here's the thing, everyone is getting fat off of this. You can cite department budgets and claim they aren't doing well, but that Mercedes in the parking lot of the life time Administrator tells me a whole different story. I'd make the contention that these kids make as much, if not more, contribution to the overall financial well being of the institution than at least 60% of the staffers there on campus, including most department heads. If you're not failing to grasp the issue, then you are being disingenuous in your position. I'm trying to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying you can't objectively look at an issue, what I am saying is that I don't think most (if not all) here understand exactly how bad of a thing this is the NCAA was doing and more specifically, HOW the process of web design works. Using Sid's example, if you go to the NCAA site and use the search feature they took down by typing in "Brian Baker Notre dame" you'd get nothing in return. However, you could type in Autrey Denson (hypothetically as I don't know if he's that marketable or not) and you WOULD get results with the #23 ND jersey. It has been the NCAA's position all along that the teams and numbers are just this faceless entity that exist infinitely. #9 at Oklahoma could be anyone who has worn #9... but that's not true. Only the players who are marketable yield results, including current players. Now, here is where the rubber meets the road. Search engines, web pages and the internet are not magic boxes that read your mind. You enter info and it compares info from the web pages. If you ever want, go to a webpage, right mouse click and select VIEW SOURCE. In the source code of the page there are things called KEYWORDS and META DESCRIPTIONS. That is how search engines work. They compare your query to the meta data in the source code of the page and then adjust for the 'weight' (eg credibility/traffic) of the website. That's why back in the late 90s, and early 00s, you could search for something and wind up with porno results or some insurance ad. Those pages were doing something called 'Keyword stuffing' which is now penalized by all major search engines..which is why you no longer see that any more. That info does not get there by accident. The programmer does not just put it there for fun, or to be a nice guy. When you're doing a website build (and remember, I did this for a living for a good long while) part of the contract is SEO. You obtain the SEO (search engine optimization) info from the client. THEY PROVIDE IT TO YOU and instruct you what markets they would like to target. From there, you can either write original copy/content, or you can use their content. I assure you, someone as legal minded as the NCAA isn't letting you or me write copy. That is their info written by their people. Worse, the meta information had to be provided with the specific instruction to market the information for present and former players. That is the cornerstone of their defense in the O'Bannon case, and here is clear cut proof that everything they have said is a lie. There's not one damned bit of truth to it. Now you want the players to be holy rollers and mind their Ps and Qs... but look around them.. The coaches are ******* cheaters The administrators are ******* cheaters The NCAA are ******* cheaters The only ones having to mind the rules or face consequences are the players, and THEY ARE THE ONES DOING ALL THE WORK. You don't see a problem with this? No, what I want is to see everyone follow the God damned rules. They are there, everyone ignores them but we demand the players ignore them. As for JFF.. do we have any concrete proof other than the word of this whore that he took the money?? If not, why are we still talking about this?? Because this too sells and the player is just a pawn in a much bigger game.
Interestingly enough... there is NO NCAA investigation of JF. ESPN flat out LIED about that The bottom line in this case is: Johnny says he was NOT paid. I'm starting to think his idiot "handler" either got paid, or tried to. (that guy has GOT TO GO PRONTO!) Corey, I'm totally on board about the NCAA following their own rules. I want my guys to do it right, but the ones making this crap up should also follow their nebulous rules!
My only problem with all of this is that the NCAA has been ignoring their own processes for years. I (along with Corey) brought this very issue up at least 7 or 8 years ago and no one understood. Once again, if they are going after someone else's school it is okay. It only becomes a problem when they come after your own school. :?
OK I think the NCAA needs reform. But I hope that you guys aren't saying that the NCAA is responsible for Johnny Football allegedly taking money and knowingly breaking the rules for autographs? Reform the NCAA, and hold Johnny Football accountable, if he did it.
Terry, "If" Manziel got paid for his autographs he should suffer the consequences. A separate issue is the NCAA and how they go about their enforcement business.
Terry, Agreed. But right now the only thing this kid is guilty of is being a 19 year old kid. He's been hung in the media by ESPN and I've still yet to see a single shred of evidence that he took the money. Seriously, has anyone seen this proof?!? We're talking about taking one of the most exciting players in the game out of the game based on the (so far) unsubstantiated rumors of an autograph whore as reported by an alleged 'news agency' that likes to hide behind their 'entertainment' moniker the second they get exposed for bad journalism, or telling flat out lies. My beef is that no one is following the rules. Reform the NCAA is damn near a joke. As much as I don't want this all to go away, I'm not sure it can be reformed. Maybe it does need to be blown up.. but my larger point remains. NCAA doesn't follow ANY rules. The coaches doesn't follow any rules. The schools doesn't follow any rules. The media doesn't follow any rules. But the rumor gets out about a player from beyond less than reputable sources and we're ready to hang the kid right now... The kid may well be an asshole, but that doesn't mean he'd violate the rules over (in the big scheme of things) what would be a drop in the bucket in comparison to his family's financial wealth. Are we really convicting the kid for being an asshole? Flying too close to the sun?!?! That's what it seems like to me... and if that is the case, please, let's take a review of all the rule breaking, back stabbing assholes that we should strike down first..
I'm certainly not saying that Terry. I want guys to follow the rules. My problem with this case is how it's all been "drive-by" reporting. It's all "I've got this evidence, or that... but can't show it." kind of stuff.
More new allegations coming out on Manziel. It can't be that he is the only college football player who has done this, so you have to wonder what he did to piss off these dealers who are giving him up. You would think that they would be like Sgt. Schultz when asked anything about Manziel.
Manziel suspended for 1st half vs Rice. NCAA rules he didn't accept money for autographs. Apparently Cam Newton's father got the money.