Actually, it probably will finish third behind Big Valley and Days of Yankee Lives, the new endless melodrama that's playing out in Tampa, FL and NYC and being shown 24/7 on the YES network. As a baseball fan, I always watch the WS regardless of who's playing. It's baseball at its highest level and that's all that matters to me.
Well said, Sid. With respect to YES, are you referring to Borass asking the Yankees to get the network to underwrite part of A-Rod's contract?
Rick, that's next week's episode, following this week's Will Joe Stay or Go? starring The Boss, Brian Cashman, and the lovable Joe Torre. Actually, I like and respect Torre and hope he stays for a couple more years. I can't imagine him agreeing to a one-year contract. I always ask myself of anyone in the news like Joe is, Is he good for the game? In Joe's case my answer to myself is a resounding YES! Oops, there it is again. :lol:
Sour grapes, George, sour grapes. :wink: The networks are crying because the big money "buy the game" big market teams are going down. Maybe if they spent a little more time during the regular season promoting baseball in general instead of being a Yankee/Bosox/LA/Chi lovefest there would be higher ratings when their adopted children are eliminated. :shock:
No sour grapes here. Baseball season ended for me a week ago. Haven't watched a pitch since. I was just observing that apparently there are many more out there like me. Enjoy the games.
Im with you George. Its Boston ( Americas team, and Yankees). This is where its at!! Fox , or whoever has the WS coverage this year will take a hit from hell !! Just heard Torre refused the offer and is gone. jiffer
Maybe the problem is that your players all think the same way! :wink: I ain't gonna woof...another great game by Beckett tonight...another wild outing by CC, and poof!...it's back to Fenway where the Sox are perfectly capable of coming back from this.
I didn't care whether Torre stayed or went. Any man who turns down a $5 mil contract is either a damn fool or wanted to leave all along. He still would have been the highest paid manager in the game. He was never a real good in-game skipper. He strongest quality was his ability to juggle all the high priced talent and keep everyone happy. I'm sure he will get job offers in the game but he'll have trouble coming anywhere near the success he enjoyed here with payroll constraints.
George, I couldn't disagree more with you about his ability. Here's a guy whose best managing job likely was this past season trying to win with a terribly anemic pitching rotation as a result of poor dealing by the GM. He took them to 6 WS in 12 years, and you are ready to write him off because he turned down an embarrassingly insulting one-year offer? Unbelievable. It was a 15% reduction from last year. The incentives? That's a BS way of saying we don't think you are capable of doing a good job unless we wave money under your nose. The Yankee brass has revealed themselves as a pack of Steinbrenner's bitches. I really liked and respected the Yankees of the past 12 years. No more.
Hey, Sid. I don't know how much money you earn per year but I make considerably less than the $5,000,000 + incentives that Joe said no to today. I am having one hell of a time getting emotional over this. I can tell you that no one in these parts ever considered Joe a strategist or great in-game manager. His strength was in being able to juggle the enormous talent in his dugout and to shield his players from the rabid ownership and local press. But he took this job knowing full well what the expectations were. And he was paid like no manager in the history of the game. He was not a .500 manager before he came to New York and he won't be one after he leaves. He won't be easily replaced but replaced he will be and it may be by someone you never expected. Never get emotional over business :wink:
Well it's not about the money, the Yankee's made an offer that was calculated to insult the man and they knew he would turn it down. It's like your boss comming to you and telling you that he's cutting your salary by 20% but he's going to give you an opportunity to make it up. If you need the job you suck up the insult and and move on, if you don't need the job you tell the man to shove it and move on.
OK, then what are you guys upset at the Yankees for? Torre got rich while there and now he doesn't need the money. He's free to go. When you have a team that scores 1000 runs a season and hits 200+ HRs you don't have to push a lot of buttons.
It's like when Waddy and Beauchamp ran off Lou Holtz. They figured he could easily be replaced. 12 straight playoffs, 6 WS, 4 WSChamps....next guy isn't likely to do that well.
Maybe. Maybe not. I remember when fans couldn't believe Buck Showalter was let go..... and replaced by Joe Torre.
I'm not going to try to argue against your position, George. If the rest of the Yankee fans feel as you do after what he's done for this team the past 12 years, it's sad. Bill Bellichik wasn't a winning coach before he came to NE. In fact, he didn't win at NE for a few years. Are you also going to trash him the way you are trashing Torre? I'm not mad at the Yankees. I don't feel anything toward the Yankees. I didn't care about them before Torre became manager. I liked them while he was the manager. Now that he is gone, I'll go back to not caring about them. Nothing complicated about that. I find it interesting that people far away from New York recognize Torre's contribution to the organization more than the fans do. What about pitching? The Yankees' starting rotation sucked this year. All the runs and HRs in the world can't overcome poor pitching. Yet somehow the Yankees managed to make it to the postseason. And you don't think the manager had something to do with that?
I'm grateful for the job he did. But when a man thumbs his nose at $5mil with an option for $8mil, I can't get all melancholy about it. I'm going to get up and go to work in the morning. Joe's going to fly to his home in Maui for the winter. Aloha!
he didn't thumb his nose at the money, he thumbed his nose at the insult for 12 years of incredible success.
Back to Cleveland and Boston! The fat lady didn't sing tonight and the Red Sox still scare the $@$# out of me with their ability to come back.