Bill You are waaaaayyyyy off. I'm not denigrating the Big-10, I just don't think tOSU is one of the two teams that deserves a BCS+1 slot. And, to support that, I've presented substantive evidence showing that team won fewer games against FBS teams than did two other who will not get a shot at the BCS+1. AFA your belief that tOSU's schedule is similar to UF's, okay. But, I just don't see it and the NCAA doesn't show it as such. Further, the discussion is about the 2007 .... specifically the season just ended. If someone wants to subjectively annoint tOSU deserving of the spot, that's all fine and well with me. But your characterization of what I've posted is just wrong. Wrong. We can disagree ... but please, don't "make stuff up" as regards what I post.
Bill <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> I agree, they both should be out of NC title contention. LSU has had two bites of the apple already and they were beaten by an unranked opponent at HOME to close the regular season.<br/> <br/> That team is worthy of an NC?</r>
So Corey you don't think LSU is worthy then who do you think is worthy? Surely not a team that couldn't win their conference, and please don't try to tell me Hawaii is worthy. Gaterz, if you points weren't so predictable you might have a point.
Bill I'd have to agree that LSU is the most logical. A case could be made for OU since they did win their Conference championship against the #1 team in the country in a very impressive manner. The case for USC is more that on paper they are so damned talented, but is countered by the loss to Stanford at home when they were 41 point favorites. And please I hope nobody seriously thinks Hawaii got screwed. They barely beat a bottom feeder from the PAC10 at home when then most needed to win really big. Terry
so <t>USC's NC hopes die with an upset on a miracle catch in the 4th quarter at the end of the game?<br/> <br/> Bull.<br/> <br/> I'd say that VTech is crossed out because they lost to LSU head to head. However, with 2 turns in the driver's seat...LSU falls behind BOTH Oklahoma and USC at this point.<br/> <br/> In the beginning, middle and end... the polls are giving LSU the national title, or at the very least every possible chance to win it.<br/> <br/> <br/> Also, I'd say that USC and Georgia finished the season much stronger than LSU... they stumbled right on thru going 4-2 down the last 6 games before winning the SECCG on a bone head pass by Ainge. The QB for a team that was beaten soundly by Cal of the Pac10..</t>
It's not necesssarily about who finishes the season strongest, that would apply in the playoff senario. Which is why in the case of basketball we see so many upsets, it counts if you are hot at the end not what happened early in the season. And complaining about injuries gets you some wine and cheese. UGA finished strong, fine they might even win the NC on the field if we had a playoff. But this is about a perception of who is the best. LSU lost 2 times in multiple OT's, USC wasn't good enough to take their opponents to OT, and complaining that Stanford got a miracle is just lame, they were 41 freakin' point underdogs so sure it was a miracle and it damned USC to not being good enough, their loss to Oregon was just that a loss to another good team. One good loss and one horrible loss. Both OU and and LSU lost to midlevel conference teams, OU lost both of them on the road. Both were extremely close and in fact went down to a kick as the clock ran out, and a comeback that fell short. They are more deserving than USC, and please don't trot out that USC has soooooooooooooooo much talent like that makes a difference. Terry
and <t>Arkansas was any better? They were woodshedded by USC both times they suited up against the Trojans.. Yet somehow they are 'tough competition' in conference.<br/> <br/> ugh<br/> <br/> My prediction is that the Pac 10, despite having 5 of the 7 toughest schedules according to Sagarin... will get shut out drawing only USC in the Rose Bowl.</t>
What happened in previous years is of no real value and still doesn't excuse the loss to 41 point underdog Stanford.
fair enough <t>no crying about it now.<br/> <br/> And to think, this is all one John Parker Wilson or Tummy Tubesteak brainfart away from being a mute point.. wow</t>
Amen. If you want to kneel at the altar of USC that's your business, but don't try to sell that snake oil 'round these parts.
Gaterz, as far as me trying to "inflame" the discussion, you said the following in another thread: I was merely pointing out that for all the time you've spent here analyzing and justifying your position, you could have performed all your tasks and still had time for some fishing. Would you not agree that fishing is more enjoyable than trying to prove OSU does not belong in the title game? If I had the choice I know what I'd be doing, but this time of year in Indiana is not fishing weather. By the way, I favor a real tree, and in case I forget to say it in the midst of all this "debating", Merry Christmas.
ok <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> then what has the SEC done this year to be considered the best conference, especially the SEC West. The division that LSU barely won.</r>
Va Tech is #3 in the BCS right? They lost by 41 points to SEC Champion LSU. Any other contender sport such a win over one of the other contenders? My question is why does Ohio State get such a pass? I am waiting on the NC game to see their stuff because their schedule shows nothing to me. Okla and USC beat exactly who outside of the conference that makes them better than LSU?
Well Bill ... if you were a bit more objective maybe you would understand the substance of the point ..... and not allow your subjectyivity and bias color your understanding of what is written. We can disagree on points, holding different opinions on various matter but there is no need for unwarranted personal attacks and fabrications.
Sid I was unable to go fishing as I had other commitments that kept me in Gainesville. However, in retrospect, I wish I had changed my schedule as the weather over the weekend was just fantastic. WRT trying "to prove" OSU doesn't belong in the +1 game, that I am not attempting to do .... as the decision under the current system to give tOSU a spot in that game is based upon a subjective analysis (if there is even any analysis by the voters) which can be shown, rather easily, to be without merit when objectively analyzed. I am simply submitting my opinion on the topic and supporting it with substantive data. As I stated early yesterday, I suspected tOSU would get a spot in the game but failed to see the rational basis for such when so many other teams had actually achieved greater success over the course of the season ..... ya know ... when the "whole body of work" is reasonable and equitably considered.
That's funny. Outside of his unswerving loyalty to FL, Bill probably is the most objective person on this board. Where is the personal attack? Where is the fabrication? All he did was call you out for your blatantly biased effort to prove that OSU does not belong in the final game. Because you self-servingly call it objective does not make it so.
Gaterz, newsflash...... 11-1 is better than 11-2..... Shouldn't be too difficult to grasp......but if I may be able to assist you in your ongoing struggles let me know..... :lol:
LMAO Sid .... that you would engage in the same "behavior" as did Bill ... when saying he did not. Oy vey ..................... :lol: Hey, please show me where in my analysis ... it is biased against tOSU? There are plenty of data for you to research and review. Please, can ya do that, before mis-characterizing???!! 8)