Ain't it great!!! :twisted: I know we're not going to get a true championship game this year but the politics and the fallout that's going to come from this is very entertaining. If ever there was a case for at least a plus-1 scenario, this is it. It will be interesting to see how the BCS responds to this.
I say there's a very good argument for LSU and Oklahoma in the BCS+1, both having to play their way into the championship. Same holds true for VaTech. Using Sagarin's computer ranskings, they are the champs of the tougher conferences: 1 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 80.74 2 PAC-10 (A) = 78.92 3 BIG EAST (A) = 78.77 4 BIG 12 (A) = 77.36 5 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 76.43 6 BIG TEN (A) = 75.81 7 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 70.28 8 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 62.51 9 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 62.08 10 MID-AMERICAN (A) = 60.21 If that's done, then we'll have a traditional Rose Bowl matchup of USC and OSU and further arguing and consternation over the "fact" that the winner of the Rose deserved a shot at the MNC. Heck we could even see a split title in 2007 and more chaos within and outside of the BCS process. 8)
LSU starts at #7 and jumps only Va Tech ( beat them by 41 points ), Kansas ( one less loss and not even a division winner and played a very soft schedule), and Georgia ( didn't win division....same # of losses and lost big to the team LSU beat for the SEC title..). What is not to like about LSU in the above equation?
Re: Too late! <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> Agree. How do you put a team with only 10 wins against football bowl subdivision teams in the title game when there are several others more deserving as that have 11 wins over FBS teams <E>:?:</E> <E>:shock:</E></r>
Maybe we should give Hawaii a shot. Boise over Okla last year and now Hawaii vs. possibly Ga. If the Warriors do well against Ga maybe the WAC will get some BCS respect for going unbeaten. I do know that UF would have to score 55 points to ensure a victory over Hawaii with that pass defense UF exhibited most of the time. A healthy Michigan team with Henne at full strength should give the Gator defense some fits. I look for another game in the 30s for both Mich and Fla as the two played the last time they met.
+ denotes home game, $ for neutral site, losses in bold. Hopefully the formatting isn't so jacked up that this isn't legible, but I didn't feel like making a big production out of it. <B>Ohio State (11-1)</B> 09/01/07 + Youngstown St. 38 6 09/08/07 + Akron 20 2 09/15/07 Washington 33 14 09/22/07 + Northwestern 58 7 09/29/07 * Minnesota 30 7 10/06/07 * Purdue 23 7 10/13/07 + Kent St. 48 3 10/20/07 + Michigan St. 24 17 10/27/07 * Penn St. 37 17 11/03/07 + Wisconsin 38 17 <B>11/10/07 + Illinois 21 28 </B> 11/17/07 Michigan 14 3 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 78-58 (.574), 1 D-1AA opponent</I> <B>Georgia (10-2)</B> 09/01/07 + Oklahoma St. 35 14 <B>09/08/07 + South Carolina 12 16 </B> 09/15/07 + Western Caro. 45 16 09/22/07 Alabama 26 23 OT 09/29/07 + Mississippi 45 17 <B>10/06/07 Tennessee 14 35 </B> 10/13/07 Vanderbilt 20 17 10/27/07 $ Florida 42 30 11/03/07 + Troy 44 34 11/10/07 + Auburn 45 20 11/17/07 + Kentucky 24 13 11/24/07 Georgia Tech 31 17 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 73-59 (.553), 1 D-1AA opponent</I> <B>LSU (11-2)</B> 08/30/07 Mississippi St. 45 0 09/08/07 + Virginia Tech 48 7 09/15/07 + Middle Tenn. St. 44 0 09/22/07 + South Carolina 28 16 09/29/07 Tulane 34 9 10/06/07 + Florida 28 24 <B>10/13/07 Kentucky 37 43 3OT</B> 10/20/07 + Auburn 30 24 11/03/07 Alabama 41 34 11/10/07 + Louisiana Tech 58 10 11/17/07 Mississippi 41 24 <B>11/23/07 + Arkansas 48 50 3OT</B> 12/01/07 $ Tennessee 21 14 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 86-59 (.593), beat Virginia Tech</I> <B>Virginia Tech (11-2)</B> 09/01/07 + East Caro. 17 7 <B>09/08/07 LSU 7 48 </B> 09/15/07 + Ohio 28 7 09/22/07 + William & Mary 44 3 09/29/07 + North Carolina 17 10 10/06/07 Clemson 41 23 10/13/07 Duke 43 14 <B>10/25/07 + Boston College 10 14 </B> 11/01/07 Georgia Tech 27 3 11/10/07 + Florida St. 40 21 11/17/07 + Miami (Fla.) 44 14 11/24/07 Virginia 33 21 12/01/07 Boston College 30 16 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 88-59 (.599), 1 D1-AA game, lost to LSU</I> <B>Southern Cal (10-2)</B> 09/01/07 + Idaho 38 10 09/15/07 Nebraska 49 31 09/22/07 + Washington St. 47 14 09/29/07 Washington 27 24 <B>10/06/07 + Stanford 23 24 </B> 10/13/07 + Arizona 20 13 10/20/07 Notre Dame 38 0 <B>10/27/07 Oregon 17 24 </B> 11/03/07 + Oregon St. 24 3 11/10/07 California 24 17 11/22/07 * Arizona St. 44 24 12/01/07 + UCLA 24 7 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 63-70 (.474)</I> <B>Kansas (11-1)</B> 09/01/07 + Central Mich. 52 7 09/08/07 + Southeastern La. 62 0 09/15/07 + Toledo 45 13 09/22/07 + Florida Int'l 55 3 10/06/07 Kansas St. 30 24 10/13/07 + Baylor 58 10 10/20/07 Colorado 19 14 10/27/07 Texas A&M 19 11 11/03/07 + Nebraska 76 39 11/10/07 Oklahoma St. 43 28 11/17/07 + Iowa St. 45 7 <B>11/24/07 $ Missouri 28 36</B> <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 62-71 (.466), 1 D-1AA game</I> <B>Oklahoma (11-2)</B> 09/01/07 + North Texas 79 10 09/08/07 + Miami (Fla.) 51 13 09/15/07 + Utah St. 54 3 09/21/07 Tulsa 62 21 <B>09/29/07 Colorado 24 27 </B> 10/06/07 $ Texas 28 21 10/13/07 + Missouri 41 31 10/20/07 Iowa St. 17 7 11/03/07 + Texas A&M 42 14 11/10/07 + Baylor 52 21 11/17/07 Texas Tech 27 34 11/24/07 + Oklahoma St. 49 17 12/01/07 $ Missouri 38 17 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 78-66 (.542)</I> <B>Hawaii (12-0)</B> 09/01/07 + Northern Colo. 63 6 09/08/07 Louisiana Tech 45 44 OT 09/15/07 UNLV 49 14 09/22/07 + Charleston So. 66 10 09/29/07 Idaho 48 20 10/06/07 + Utah St. 52 37 10/12/07 San Jose St. 42 35 OT 10/27/07 + New Mexico St. 50 13 11/10/07 + Fresno St. 37 30 11/16/07 Nevada 28 26 11/23/07 + Boise St. 39 27 12/01/07 + Washington 35 28 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 53-80 (.398), 2 D-1AA games</I>
T I'm not arguing that OSU won't get the nod to play in the BCS+1 ... I'm just not willing to embrace that OSU is the most deserving team ... and that their selection is the most logical, reasonable, and objective .... especially when one considers SOS, # of FBS wins during theseason, and the fact they did not face the perils of a conference championship "play in' game, which serves as a possible elimination game - see Missouri. Last year, many folks claimed UF benefitted from USC's late season loss to UCLA, AFA UF getting into the BCS+1. Yet, UF was required to win the SECCG against Arky to get into the BCS+1. Given the results of last night's conference championship game, OSU and possibly UGa, could similarly benefit from the Missouri and WVa losses without having to risk anything via the conference championship game.
UF's opponents were 81 -53 overall. That schedule included at least 9 bowl teams. And two losses out of three were last minute to Aub and LSU. UF did well with such a young defense. On to the Cap One to face Michigan...
Actually, it's the b-10 that's ducking the game ...... ya know part of the "art of scheduling for a championship". No conference championship game and a non-FBS game.
:? We've been doing it this way for 100 years.....in the infinite wisdom of your commissioner your conference decided, in the not too distant past, that it would be in the best interest of your conference to add a championship game......sound as if you are you now questioning that decision.....talk to him. You're barking up the wrong tree here...
Gaterz, let's assume for a moment that the B10 had a conference championship game and OSU won. Would your tune change? Of course not. Your agenda is obvious. All the time you spend justifying it could be spent more productively putting up Christmas decorations and cleaning the gutters. :wink:
Given what TOK posted, I think LSU vs. OSU makes the most sense. I, however, don't think that LSU is that great and I don't think OSU is that great. The thing is I don't think anyone is that great. This season will be defined by parity for sure. A half dozen teams can make legitimate claim to the title game. What a season!!! I think the BCS needs to institute a plus-1 scenario in which the bowl games are played and then the polls are released and the 2 teams at the end of the bowl season that are 1 and 2 play for a national championship. The BCS commissioners need to hold one of their little special meetings and make it happen right now or this season will forever be remembered as a sham no matter what happens. We will not have a true champion this year that can be called such with a clear conscience. This is the biggest disaster in the BCS yet by far. The only saving grace may be if OSU blows out whomever they play which I don't think is likely to happen. They may win the game but I doubt we'll see a blowout by OSU. I think it is much more likely we will see them be blown out. That said, I don't know if LSU can blow anyone out right now. Oklahoma has a strong case for the championship. If USC hadn't looked ordinary against UCLA they would be in the thick of things as well and will probably be anyway. Virginia Tech could be a dangerous team as well although LSU being so close probably keeps them out. Hawaii fans have a very strong case as well although as TOK posted their schedule was ridiculously weak. The fact is, there is not easy answer. Someone is going to get screwed.
Well, that's just an erroneous conclusion based upon an unwarranted assumption. And the highlighted statements are just stupid. It would be very difficult to argue against a 12-1 Big-10 champ with 11 FBS wins. But, given the reality of 2007, we'll never know. Just FWIW .... top 9 BCS teams', as ranked before yesterday's game, records against other top-25 per the BCS: Rank #1 2- 2 0.500 #2 0- 1 0.000 #3 1- 1 0.500 #4 2- 1 0.667 #5 0- 1 0.000 #6 3- 2 0.600 #7 4- 0 1.000 #8 3- 0 1.000 #9 1- 1 0.500
oklahoma-nebraska <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> this has happened twice before. The BCS commissioners could have done something about it, but they voted down regulations that would keep a team that didn't win, or play for, its conference title from playing for the NC.<br/> <br/> If anyone else heard Lou Holtz' case last night in favor of those teams who added another conference game vs those who did not with the expanded schedule, its hard to argue against his logic...especially given how so many here seem to believe that conference games are harder.</r>
Mo, are you being serious or are you engaging in some black arts, SEC propaganda compaign knowing that the Gators are going to slap us around? M's defense has been horrible against the spread offense all year. If we meet up with the Gators, we will be playing a team that runs one the most sophisicated spreads led by the best QB in the nation. Michigan has some great offensive players but, as you know, our offensive play calling makes Mississipii State's play calling look state of the art in terms of creativity. Even if Hart is healthy, I think Fla can shut down M's running game, and you have seen enough M games to know that the right side of our line is miserable at best. I will be shocked if M plays Florida competively this year. I am keeping my figers crossed that the RB invites Georgia so that Ill and Fla meet up in the Capitol 1, which would be a more entertaining match-up.
Nope ... just pointing out those were stupid comments. But are you aknowledging you are intentionally trying to inflame the discussion? 8)
Bobda I think Hart and Henne when healthy can pose problems for this Florida defense....which was the achilles heel for UF's season. With even an average defensive effort vs. Georgia it would most likely be Florida and not LSU playing Ohio State in a rematch. That said I agree that Meyer should cook up some pretty good offensive plays for Michigan but I see a healthy Michigan offense with Hart, Henne and especially Manningham lighting up the Fla D for at least 30 points. I like UF 41-31....or thereabouts..
Corey, sometimes I don't get your arguments. LSU not only should be ranked ahead of Georgia, they should have never been ranked behind them. Both their losses were in double OT, they won the SEC. Georgia did not even make the SEC Championship game and in my mind clearly should not be ranked ahead of the SEC Champion. Gaterz, I don't really understand your need to denigrate the Big 10. Ohio State in my mind is clearly the most deserving number one right now. Their schedule is similar to the type schedule Florida plays every year where it comes to out of conference games. I would agree that the Big 10 is not as strong as the SEC this year, that doesn't mean they are always that way or that they are not a good conference. I'll never quite understand the need to put down the other guys schedule or conference. Unless of course it's the Big East or ACC. :twisted: :twisted: