A dead play doesn't stop the clock and spotting the ball only confused things for the already confused refs. If I thought it was a fumble, at least one ref did too, so they had to talk about it....tick......tick.....tick.....
In the video it doesn't look like he touched his knee to the ground... but Bobda's stop action does...
Remember... all he had to do was spike the ball. That would have stopped the clock for a chip shot FG, but he didn't. He decided to get creative and do something that he had never practiced...
:wink: Jo Co... do you want to cite to that portion of the video that supports your revised theory that the refs " had to talk about it"? Do not see any discussion going on in that video.
Not one ref is signaling that the ball was recovered by ASU. If there was a question they could go to replay....but wait....then they'd have to stop the clock. Instead, they prevented Wisky from snapping the ball while the ASU players did everything they could to delay the game. What crooks.
I beg your pardon. He was talking to the players. It looks like he had to remind one side that it wasn't ruled a fumble and the other that he hadn't spotted the ball and cleared it for play...
The clock was already stopped before that play was run. That play was run to get a better spot for a FG attempt, spike the ball, and then try the FG. If he spiked the ball on that play, the spot would have remained the same.
A kneel down doesn't stop the clock and the play is already known here in the Far West as "The Phantom Kneel."
Problem with this new revision is that it was not a phantom kneel. The picture shows he was kneeling. Your video clearly reveals that the whistle was blown. In fact, it seems as if the ASU players pounced on the ball AFTER the whistle. The ref at that point should have stopped the clock and get the players off the ball and restart the clock.
It's clear he kneeled and apparently clear the whistle blew. At that point unless I misunderstand it's the referee's duty to not let the defense stall the game to conclusion. Pretty pathetic to me.
The B10 refs were busy earlier in the day screwing poor Akron in Ann Arbor. The late night screw job was administered by P12 refs.
Ah I see, don't tell Bob Stoops about Pac12 refs!! Even the Gov of Oklahoma got into it with the Pac12 when they screwed OU.
In the Neb.-UCLA game I saw something I hadn't seen before. On third down, the Huskers moved the ball to where it seemed to be touching the first down line on the TV. In other words, it was really close to being a first down. Bo asked for a measurement and the crew told him "no." Was that a PAC crew?
I have watched the video over and over, and I do not see the QB even close to the position shown in the still photo. I swear that his knee never touched the ground. I believe that the still picture is photo shopped. Having said that, the rule Bobda cites obviously does not require the knee to touch the ground as long as it is a simulated kneel. The key for me is that the refs blew the play dead which you can't know from watching the replay. Not knowing that the whistle had blown is why I originally believed that it was the WI QB's fault. I have since reversed my position and believe that WI should have been allowed another play. Back to the still photo, I defy anyone who is interested to watch the video as many times as you wish and tell me that you can see his knee go down to the ground. Even at a reverse angle, the video contradicts the still photo.
Well it is possible to take a picture like that and photoshop it. But back to Corey's original post about SEC refs. A few years ago that is the way I felt about SEC refs, and also that many times I thought they felt like we came to the stadium to watch them instead of a football game. However in recent years I have felt like our SEC refs have improved, not perfect but better.
I think this is funny. There were no cries for the refs screwing Arizona State when the Wisconsin receiver took 2 strides out of bounds. (related/unrelated, this is now the 2nd game in which I can remember an incident that clearly would have been out of bounds in previous years left to call as it stands on the field..was there a rule change?). That play set all this up. But I digress, I watched the replay again and again. I'm with Sid. That being said, Wiscy could have done several things (as Spencer lists in his article) differently to better their chances, but they did none of them. Bill, I tend to agree with you..but in the marquis games, it just feels like mid 90s to 2000s SEC refs to me.