Bingo..... and that is the process by which a championship match is determined? nice process....nuff said.
No...as I said above the voting and computer results are dictated by what happens on the field for an entire season. Without significant on-field results the voting and computers won't go your way.
.....and it's only a guess about what the results may be in an actual on the field competition. A perception if you prefer.....a decidedly inferior option to an actual on the field competition. It's like arguing that having people vote and computers simulating what it would be like to sleep with Scarlett Johanssen is somehow a superior option than to actually have the experience..... I don't know about you, but as for me, keep your perceptions and computers, give me ScarJo.....
Let's say you had a 16 team playoff. The most the eventual champ would play is 4 of the other teams.....about what LSU or Bama will wind up playing this year out of the top ranked teams. It's only perception then that the champ in that playoff scenario would actually beat any of the other 12 teams....just perception because they won't play them on the field. :wink:
Everybody knows that the "best" team doesn't always win a playoff...hell, the "best" team may not win the BCS Championship game either. The difference is that in a playoff everybody who might conceivably be up there gets to try...the champion is the one who survives the gauntlet that everybody has a shot at...whether they are "best" or not...but they really are champions because everybody got the shot. To hell with your "perception"...are you really saying that it's only all about performance on the field in the current year? I am throwing the ******** flag on that...the hyped schools have a clear advantage in "perception" right from the get-go...starting with the pre-season polls and continuing onward. Yes, if they step on their wienies they will fall (as will their "perception"), but so much depends on when in the season it happens, and also hype and reputation...some will fall farther than others and less or more than performance on the field would justify...and some will start higher and stay higher than performance on the field would justify. This is a bad year to argue that point, because I will concede that LSU and Alabama's performance on the field have been very impressive, and it's hard to complain in terms of their rankings...but we are talking about the system here and over and over again somebody seems left out. Even this year when we have two very deserving teams in the game.
Ah...but therein lies the rub as the "gauntlet" is different for every team in the playoff and the reason it would be different is because once again it would go back to perception created by on the field season results. As for recent perceptions created.......they have been created about the SEC because of the conference's on-the-field successes.....and not because SEC fans just think they play in a tough conference. Listen...we all have a point here. I only debate this because I see the BCS process as being way more legitmate than any of the polls only systems that determined the first 80 or so national champions and definitely more legitmate than many here want to give it credit for. Is a playoff system any more legitmate than the BCS in determining the nation's best team? Not really imho. But you certainly would wind up with a Playoff Champion as opposed to a BCS Title Champion if that's what satisfies you.
Thank you for making my point. You are talking about PAST successes. I would argue that the SEC was a bit top-heavy this year...and maybe the road wasn't so tough.
By the way....I have always been a big supporter of a "Plus One" format. I think that would eliminate 85% of the criticism of the BCS. The other 15% would continue to beef about the "Butler Bulldogs" not getting their chance. Really now......did anyone truly think that Butler was the second best team in the land last year in collge hoops? Not many would own up to that assessment.
No doubt they got hot for the playoff run. Great team? ....nah Hot team at the right time.......yeah.
But that's what you get with a playoff, how many wildcards in the NFL have won it all. Their season records showed that they weren't the best teams over the course of the season but with tournament/playoffs it's the hot team that is likely to win it all. That's where the NBA and MLB playoffs more likely to follow form (but not always of course), you don't get a 1 game to win it all, you have to do it in a 5-7 games series several times.
Since it's all perception...and apparently that's all that counts...NOT performance in the field... Why not just vote for the champion and skip all the games. It would save a lot of hassle because we'd only have to consider SEC teams. That's practically what we're doing this year anyway.
Stu....it's the games that give us our perception.....the data we use both statistical, visual and associative. When LSU easily beats Oregon, W. Va., Arkansas, Auburn and Georgia we begin to form our perception that LSU is a pretty damned good team. When Bama wins without breaking a sweat at Penn St and mows down everyone else but LSU....but gives the Tigers everything they can handle and more we form a perception about Alabama that they must be damned near as good as LSU. They don't play 20 non-conference games in the NCAA so no matter what we have at the end......it's based on a perception gleaned from games on the field.
Is that your perception? On the court results say two consecutive trips through the NCAA gauntlet to the final four trumps any such perception... This is a great example of why a popularity contest/politics/perception is an absurd way to select a champion....Butler has reached two consecutive final fours and there are some that perceive that they were not a great team....and that's why they play the game. I understand that you're an SEC homer and who of course will defend the status quo in light of the many benefits that accrue to the conference so there is no logical argument is going to change your view I do appreciate KP who has been consistently in favor of scrapping this thing in favor for a playoff even when his school is the beneficiary
BT...another reason I like the NCAA with the BCS system is that it makes watching a regular season Bama-LSU a must see event and can you imagine the viewership for the Bedlam game if Ok St hadn't already screwed the pooch vs. Ia. St? Frankly....unless it involves a team I care about there are no "must see" NFL games for me in the regular season and the reason is that not enough is at stake.....it's just another game. If you miss it there's always the playoffs..... :idea: I prefer college to NFL football every day of the week because of the way it determines it's champions and because of the rivalries. I just wouldn't want to see the game totally changed for the worse just because some people are so antsy for a playoff champion.
Again, making my point....the games aren't giving us a championship earned on the field...only a "perception" of who is best. Statistics, visual, associative....geez. BT has shown that you again are making my point...you diss a team that has been to not one but two CONSECUTIVE final fours...no wait...two CONSECUTIVE NCAA championship games. Yeah, I'd call that a great team.
Derived from what Stu? THE GAMES played on the field!! RE: Butler So it is that your every "perception" is gained from their playoff performance. What they did in the regular season means absolutely nothing and meant nothing....much the same as what we would have in college football with a large scale playoff. Last year this "great".....2nd best team in the whole country was 23-9 and wouldn't have made the NCAA tourney without winning two games in it's conference tournament. They lost to these unranked teams: Evansville, Wright State, Valpo, 2 to Milwaukee and Youngstown State. 2nd best team in the country????? Maybe the best "playoff" team ever but no where near the 2nd best team in the country. Great in a one-and-done format but say best of 5 with just about anyone they beat in the NCAAs ??? ....Sure....... :lol:
It just occurred to me that maybe....just maybe those most in favor of football playoffs are more NFL/pro sports fans than they are CFB fans........ just sayin..... :wink: Anyone for Jets-Patriots??? Me....I would rather go fishing. Who gives a rat's ass unless you live up there.....there's always the playoffs :roll: