I HATE RUMORS

I am sorry Stu but I am going to have to take a bit of an issue with you here. For starters Kp, who is a Bama fan, has said more here than I have so I am not sure exactly why you chose the Gator schedule as an example. Neither do I recall any accusations about double standards.

However I basically agree with you about BT, smart, basically far but he's not perfect any more than you and I. Well I can only speak for myself. I think what kp is saying, and if it isn't what he is saying it is certainly what I am saying, is that it would be nice that BT might take the time to see the other guys point of view in some of these discussions, especially where it comes to SEC teams.


I will also defend kp who has never been anything on this forum but a gentleman. You might ask yourself just why he made those comments instead of accusing him, and I guess me, of being thin skinned.

I happen to think pretty highly of BT and enjoy reading his comments and have even taken his side when he was posting with another Gator.

I think you have misread what was said here and sorry but it is not ********.

I think that not only BT but all of us here might consider that there is frequently another side of the coin that may exist with a lot of these discussions, and that other side of the coin may exist for other fans schools not just your own.

I'll speak only for this thin skinned person, I feel for BT and the Ohio State Buckeye fans right now and might hope that in some other issue down the road with Gators or other Southeast Conference schools we might get the same consideration.

With that I will try to refrain from any move comments on this topic and just read for information.

Note that I said try.

 

And Stu, I might add that

Your signature is oh so true.

 

Sorry, but I stand by it...it's crap...debate the issues if you want but drop the double standard accusations. BT has the same expectations of his coaches that he would have or want from any coaches of any team.

Yeah don't sweat the small stuff...I'll drop the damn signature if you want.

I've had an extremely bad week...and this has gone on and on...

And you are a moderator.

BT is a big boy and can take care of himself so I'll just end my part here.

 

That's ********.....I'm open minded KP. Everybody reaches conclusions and takes a position based upon an assessment of the information available....fair-minded people are open to re-assessing their positions in the event that new information is available that has the potential to change the dynamic of the issue. I am such a person.....I have taken positions on a number of issues discussed on this forum as has everybody else....

If you disagree with a position I have taken and find it objectionable, it would be vastly more productive to make an attempt to offer up some new, relevant and meaningful information capable of changing the dynamic for me to consider or you can continue to take gratuitous shots, offer up nothing of substance and speak in child-like riddles......your choice.

Bill, let me state for the record that I agree with that statement completely. I just don't always agree with somebody else's position on an issue. That does not make me or anybody in disagreement with a position less than open-minded. It simply makes us capable of independent thought.....

If somebody doesn't agree with my stance on an issue, the best solution is to put forth a valid argument with a basis in facts that has not yet been an element of the debate that would compell a rational person to alter a conclusion.......but in the absence of such facts one can also offer up nothing of substance, take gratuitous shots and speak in child-like riddles. Such is life. So be it.....

 

Thanks Stu, but this is really all about my opposition to oversigning. Everybody here has views that may be in opposition to those of another on any number of issues. That's life......let's call it for what it is. KP, is sensitive to the vocal opposition to oversigning and this is apparently his way of convincing the majority to see the error of their ways......I am however at a loss to understand why he has specifically targeted me as there are others - at least equal to if not more vocal in their opposition to the practice - by any school in any conference......it is what it is, so be it.

 

Somebody bothering one of my Big Ten Brothers?

I got your back T-Dog.....unlike the orphanage I just came from, I'm prepared to cover the six of my fellow conf Bro's.....especially from those SOUTHERN EXCHANGE of CURRENCY fellers's........

:twisted:

 

I think you're safe Husker....presser is going on as we speak, I'm watching closely and I see no sign of Bo..... :wink:

 

......after watching some live - as I was scanning the room for Bo and/or Meyer - and reading more comprehensive accounts of the presser, JT doesn't look like a man going anywhere soon. Just my general impression of his overall demeanor and tone of comments.

 

Stand by it Stu, so do I. I never said anything or thought anything about a double standard. Having much more empathy toward one's own situation is what I mean and it doesn't mean double standard.

BT, no it is not all about over signing. It's about what I said that you seem to agree with about listening to the other guy and understanding that issues are not just cut and dried.

Florida doesn't over sign. I only remember once when we seemed to have to many players and that ended up working out. But I do understand why some schools need to make sure they have players in the pipeline when another one may not qualify. It is not a cut and dried situation in my opinion.

 

Well, ok, but in my mind you were kind of egging the double standard allegations on with your smiley/winkys. If not, so be it and I apologize.

And when are you going to get rid of that damn ugly gator signature of yours? :wink: (Seriously, it is kind of large)

 

Bill,

I understand that things are not always cut and dried....that does not also mean that people can't have differing views. Having differing views does not necessarily mean that one is cynical or close minded.....it means that one is capable of independent thought.

I'm uncertain why this is such a difficult concept to some.....but it clearly is. I'm still opposed to oversigning because I believe to be contrary to the best interests the game - as do a majority - and I continue to support Tressel, take him at his word and believe him to be worthy of the trust that the AD and Pres Gee have given him under the circumstances judging him on the entirety of his body of work and until such time as the investigations are complete, the facts are on the table and there is compelling evidence to the contrary I will maintain my position.....

If that is somebody's definition of double standard, I will disagree but they are certainly entitled to their opinion.....if they believe our differences in definition are worthy of debate, they will have to continue alone......jeezus

 

Bill, Stu, BT,
Not worth it anymore. I too will attempt to bow out of this discussion.

8)

 

No worries.

Kumbaya...

Now get them, Husker! 8)

 

Ditto......

 

I hope they fire the SOB.

 

Now you don't like my Gator signature??

I'll give it some thought.

I will also admit that I may have egged it on a little but I sure don't think it was near as serious as you said, but no need to apologize.

For the record I like and respect BT, but I also understand why Kp said what he did and yes I winked and agreed.

But hey I don't want to lose any of you as friends and am not advocating firing Tressel.

 

Actually the gator's kind of cool...just gets old when you post 3 times in a row or something.

I'm just not a big fan of large pictures in avatars or signatures...but still, it's better than the croc on your media guides. :shock:

 

There's a lot of love in this room...

 

You are seriously weirding me out...

 

As I said before KP is gentleman and has never insulted people on this forum. And as I recall he did attempt to discuss the issue with you. However it would appear that he feels, like I do, that you have a hell of a tendency to just dismiss other peoples arguments and discussion as you think you position is so superior. Maybe he speaks in what you call child like riddles, because he didn't find any other way that worked.

Again the problem here as I see it is that not much is going to change your mind once you have decided your position.

In my view you stubbornly lock on to a position and it's obviously right to you and nothing is going to change your mind.

Then your school has a problem and whether you like it or not your whole approach changed and you were very open minded.

So that I don't rile up Stu again I want to say that is not a double standard. It is however say to me that I don't find you near as open to different opinions as you seem to find yourself.

And when you make this comment contained in the quote above

You are making it quite clear that not much will ever change your mind.

And for the record I believe that in more than one conversation with you I put forth some things that would compel most rational people to have second thoughts but didn't much phase you.

Seems to me that from KP's comments he might have similar thoughts.

Now let's make this clear, I still respect your thoughts, a lot. I just find it counter productive to try and change your mind and I do agree with what KP said above about your approach to the problems at Ohio State as opposed to Florida, Alabama and other SEC schools.

Stu, I hope you don't take offense to this but I am giving my honest opinion.

And I left my signature off.