BT, The article certainly raises more questions, than answers. I wonder if we will ever know the whole truth?
BT, Like a lot of situations, there is almost always "more" to the story. I am interested in hearing the "more" in this story. 8)
KP, More information can surely change perceptions....however, not always in ones favor. I'm willing to roll the dice on this issue..... Typically, if one is well intended, one would favor more transparency rather than less..... 8)
It can, but is not a given and not necessarily will.....if it is new, relevant and compelling to the issue at hand then perhaps it will.....if it is old, tired, worn out and beat to death, it's just a waste of time.....that's not being open minded, that's being dense..... I'm always open to listening to new and relevant information.....there are some that are not open to providing it.... :wink:
old, tired, worn out, and beat to death is in the ear of the beholder (to coin a phrase :wink: ) and does not make it invalid. 8) BT, Hey look we could go on like this forever. I get it. This case is different. Tressel is a good guy, and I'm sure when the rest of the story comes out I will be convinced that he did what he did for the best of reasons. I will continue to listen to hear the whole story.
In truth, they felt it appropriate to match the final outcome of the player cases.....it was originally hoped that the appeals would result in the player suspensions be reduced to 2 games, hence JT's 2 game recommendation.....when the final outcome of the player cases yielded 5 games, they recommended that JT's match the players...... Tressel is a good guy by all accounts. I have yet to see or hear of a story by any with first-hand personal or professional insights other than he is a man of character and integrity. However, and at least as important in this case, is that given the circumstances, it also is the answer that makes the most logical sense which is always helpful.....imho.
Bob Knight said the other day that if the NCAA ran NASA, we would be just gettin' ready to land on the moon. It's their stuff....if they want to pawn it....pawn it....it you want to get a few bucks from a worthless autograph....buyer beware.....did OSU buy mom a house?....did OSU give the kid a advance stipend?....who really gives a **** in todays times?......we recruited you, paid for a hell of a education (if you want it), now the rest of the money is up to you....just don't sign away your ELIGIBILITY.........the question is....DID THEY (IN YOUR MIND) SELL OUT THEIR ELIGIBILITY? Personally, I wouldn't wipe my ass with Pryors signature....but that must be the Cornhusker in me (seems localized now doesn't?) I agree Tressel is being a Cat on a Hot Tin Roof....but who's rules are making him look like a Jackass? He's playing the game the way the powers that be want him to play it.....it's makes for better theatre, I get it.....but WTF? Somebody honestly tell me what instutional changing violation was caused here? Honestly, I'm listening, just make sense...
All right BT, I have kind of stayed away from this topic other than to agree with some of kp's comments. Somewhere above you wondered where we were coming from and I will speak for me. So you think JT is a good guy, ergo should stay on. I don't think I disagree with you. However Urban Meyer is every bit as much a good guy as Tressell, never had a run in with the NCAA and is now retired. However I remember more than one occasion where I think you disagreed with that. You also don't like the way the Gators schedule their games. You don't like the way the SEC gets recruits, over signing etc. Here's what I sincerely hope, that your feelings toward your coach and the lack of real flack you have taken here and the way people have been willing to listen, yes me also, might give you some pause in being as judgmental toward some other programs and their problems or at least some understanding of why some things are done like they are other places. So I hope Tressell survives and I hope Pearl survives to get another chance at Tenn. I will wait to see if your willingness to look beyond the incident extends to others. I have mixed emotions as to whether or not that will happen. That's about all I have to say about this situation.
The only thing I have to say is that last sentence drew a picture in my mind... :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
I know that I think we'll never know the whole truth. The Ohio State people have too much to lose. I'm guessing that even if it was the worst senario, that is that Tressel purposefully hid the information from the AD and the Pres solely to protect what he hoped would be a NC run, and then when caught he purposefully lied to the AD and Pres in a hope to mitigate any damage to the team and to himself. In that worst case senario, I could see the AD and the Pres deciding to take one for the team and do the best they can to preserve JT's reputation and the program. JT coming forward to take additional game penalites is interesting. It certainly could be construed as him being a stand up guy, or it could be construed as the NCAA telling OSU that if they don't give JT a bigger punishment that they will. Not sure we'll ever know that either. Right now though I have a hard time giving OSU and Tressel the high moral ground in this business. But 5 games is a good start, it would be even better if he were banned from contact with the team during those 5 games. That to me would be fair, although still not as stringent as the NCAA gave Dez Bryant for lying about spending a weekend with Deion Sanders.
I pretty much agree with you Terry. But I don't like comparing situations to Dez Bryant. In my opinion that was over the top and inconsistent with other transgressions. So I wouldn't want to use him as the standard for punishments.
Well at least OSU won't face the "Lack of Institutional Control" issue. :wink: Good news and bad news. The good news: we don't know the whole story yet. The bad news: we don't know the whole story yet. I feel for OSU because no one has any idea what the NCAA will ultimately do nor do they know when they will do it. It may be a good time to be in trouble though since it seems that lately punishments (no punishments) seem to be lighter than some periods in the past. :?
Bill, I never once recall taking gratuitous shots at Mayer or any other coach for that matter. I may have stated at some point that I was not a big fan due to style/personality issues, which is fair, but if I did take cheap shots "on more than one occasion", please show me a quote in context and refresh my memory. Re: SEC recruiting, oversigning....you're missing the boat here. To clarify - again - I am opposed to the practice of oversigning - no matter which school from ANY conference - because I believe it bad for the game as do a majority of college football fans. The most outspoken and stridently opposed voice in the discussion is President Machen who has stated publicly that he finds the practice "morally repugnant"....if you are calling me to task for my opposition of a practice of which my opinion is shared by the majority, I can only imagine the correspondence that you must have with President Machen......if that is troubling for you, so be it.... As it relates to the Tressel matter, I'm not asking for anything....everyone will draw their own conclusions as they see fit and communicate them accordingly....I have no problem with any of that. If that is troubling for me, so be it.....
Look BT, I think you are a great guy and good for these boards and hope you stick around for a long time. However you are missing my point. It's fine you have those views and I respect that. However in my opinion you do not take the same open minded approach with any of those issues, in other words try to understand why someone might have a different view, that you do with Tressell when he got in trouble. For the record I hope Tressell survives and learns from this experience.
I agree with you Bill, we're not communicating.....and just for the record, I think you're a fine fella too..... :wink:
Not communicating might be your way of looking at it, but I'm afraid that even though you are a great guy, it's not my way of looking at it. :wink:
If we have a difference of opinion on whether or not we're communicating it would seem then almost by definition that we are not.....but of course you are entitled to look at things any way that you like.....and I have no problem with that.