Like Terry said, all of them. Why don't you let your son stand on his own two feet then? I certainly have no hard feelings with Corey and in fact am very happy he's back posting. I'm sorry you didn't understand my point. There could be two reasons for that. Either I didn't make my point very well, which is very possible. Another possibility is that you didn't try very well to understand my posts, that is also very possible. I mean after all in your mind it seems if Corey says it then it must be true? The problem with the statement above is that I've not seen any logical alternative. Tailback certainly never offers logical alternatives any more an that's my problem with him. He just drive by shoots. Yes that is my opinion of him. I defended him a long time around here but am done doing that unless he can offer some reasonable alternatives. Tailbacks person for the Heisman was McFadden. Did he even consider that McFadden's team was wiped out yesterday before making his Heisman remark? It sure wouldn't seem so. So let me hear a logical alternative from you JO'Co, just who do you think should have won the Heisman? So just what proof do you have of that? Interesting to me JO'Co that yesterday Corey made a very complementary remark about me, now you accuse me of personal attacks. You know what I enjoy talking with Corey, he does put controversial stuff out there and then will debate the issue with give and take. If he feels I made a personal attack at him I would like to hear it from him, not from an over protective father. Glad to see you still have a sense of humor! Certainly everyone is entitled to an opinion. However I wonder how many of you with the opinion that Georgia and USC were the best at the end of the season felt a few years ago that Nebraska shouldn't be in the game because they didn't win their conference? That is my point about Georgia, they didn't win their division or their conference. In my opinion they didn't belong. I might also add that it's pretty predictable where some of you will go at the end of the season with your choices. Yes, and in a year like this there is never going to be 100% agreement. What I do believe about this match up is that if it was put to a vote of fans it is a heck of a lot more likely that we would gotten this match up than Georgia and USC. Especially Georgia who didn't win the conference. I might add that there are some of us who believe that a team should have to win their conference to be in this game with the current setup. To the first part of that quote I have no problem. Both those games were pathetic and I personally turned both games off. To the second part of that statement, I have no doubt that you and some others would have crowned USC champion after they beat Georgia, but I am also confident that all the polls, including the AP would have picked the winner of the OSU - LSU game.
Bill... <t>I notice still no mention of the play of the Florida O-Line and the Mich D-Line. It was the difference in the football game just like the disaster of a season this past year and next at ND (HOPE NOT) is the reason for said disaster of a season. Show me the QB that excels under that pressure?<br/> As much as I dislike Michigan hats off to them and their departing DC English. How did the Hawaii QB do last night with his feet to the sky all evening?<br/> <br/> Tebow deserved the award.</t>
I agree with you Larry. I think I said several times either on this topic or elsewhere that when a good team comes out with the intensity and resolve that Michigan came out with yesterday they will usually win. In watching the game yesterday I was actually surprised that we were in a position to win at the end of the game. Michigan was better all day long.
Chill guys. I have the utmost respect for both Bill and Jim. I see points made by both here. Let's not turn this into a pissing match. Here is my opinion and remember, being a Vol fan is the number one reason that nobody could say I am prejudice with my comments FOR a Gator: Florida lost 4 games as has been TB's point against Tebow. To me, that is not a valid point since there have been deserving Heisman winners before on teams with worse records. As I see it, the Heisman is an award for the player that did the most to help their team succeed. You have all stated that Tebow is "the only real weapon" that Florida has. That, my friends, is the definition of the Heisman.
I'll say this <t>I'm trying to stay out of all this.<br/> <br/> What I saw of Tebow this year did not show me that he's much of a passer at all. He has a strong arm, but that offense is built around high school level routes.<br/> <br/> What I don't understand about Florida one-dimensional offense is this: Either Tebow is not as good as advertised, or Urban Meyer is doing a horrible job with that offense. They really are a one-trick pony with a side salad of fantastic athlete (Harvin) around the perimeter. With all of Florida's recruiting success, how can they be so shallow? Unless the answer is.. they aren't. They are a offense with lots of great offensive players that is simply built on carrying Tebow to greatness.<br/> <br/> As for the Heisman, I can remember so, so many 'rules' that the media seemed to toss aside this year for Tebow that normally would have kept him from winning the award. So I have to ask, 'why this kid?'<br/> <br/> But if you drunk the kool-aid one way or the other, it has to negate the other side.. Either Tebow is the Heisman winner, or Urban Meyer is not doing a very good job given all their recruiting success.</t>
My point about the Florida coaching strategy in the loss to Michigan was that there are indeed more weapons available than Tebow or Harvin..like Caldwell and Ingram and Murphy. I don't understand why in the last two series for Fla there were no designed plays it seems for the other weapons. Also unusual I thought for the entire game was that there were few if any designed runs for Tebow. It reminded me a lot of the Georgia game strategy so I wonder if it will come out that the protective apparatus on Tebow's right arm was still protecting that broken right hand that maybe the staff didn't want injured early on in the game. Not an excuse but an observation of someone who has been watching this offense all year....( me). In any event this game was not lost on offense. I will always contend that when your offense scores 35 points ( and had one TD taken back for "procedure" ) then that unit didn't lose the game. The poor kicking game for Florida ( the muffed kick-off was critical ) and the porous defense lost the game to Michigan....not Tebow and the offense.
yeah <t>your defense is shockingly bad. again, what's with the preparation? you guys are winning the recruiting battles.<br/> <br/> I know my ND pals liked to bitch about our D this year too, but I thought they held up much better considering that our offense was nothing more than a 2.5 minute TV timeout. Our boys were 3 and out all year long so the D spent a lot of time on the field..<br/> <br/> At Florida, you guys have a great offense.. or at least it played great in the SEC this year.. how was the defense THAT bad?</t>
I think you forget that Urban runs the Spread and in that offense the QB is pretty much it, look at Texas with Vince Young. Sure we had some running backs and all but it was the Vince Young show, sure we had some WR's but it was the Vince Young Show. Occassionally Spread offenses have some great games by their RB's, Misouri did just that yesterday, but for the most part when you think of Missouri you think of Chase Daniel, can you even name their WR's? Same for Kansas, or Purdue, or WVA...well there you can think of Steve Slaton but anybody else beyond Pat White and what happened to WVA when White was hurt but Slaton was healthy?
The defense replaced 9 starters from last year and the youth shows Corey. We can only hope that with another year of experience that these guys get better. I can't really question the coaching staff on defense because last year with better players it was the Florida defense that won the National Title. Oh...and I need to mention again how this Michigan team came to be ranked #5 in the country in preseason...it was this pretty damned good offense that they have and had nothing to do with their defense. That was the offense fully on display in Orlando. Too bad for UM that most of it was hurt all season long.
no <t>I'm not forgetting that Terry. Michigan took away the run and dared Tebow to pass. He couldn't.<br/> <br/> I dont buy into the 'there weren't plays designed for anyone else' theory. There were. Either those guys weren't open, or Tebow couldn't get them the ball.<br/> <br/> Look at Brennan last night. UGa was able to get so much pressure rushing only 2 and 4 on the perimeter, they could drop everyone else back into coverage and dare Hawaii to do something else..</t>
Corey, Gator fans are wondering the same thing about our defense. The DL is very young and we knew that coming in, but we did expect to see some growth which in all honesty we did not. We have a lot of very young defensive players who hopefully will show significant improvement before next season. I don't think that our defense has to be dominant next season for the Gators to do well, just a reasonable improvement over this year. As to the Gators just going to Harvin yesterday a lot of Gators are wondering about that also. We have other good receivers and they were not obvious in the game yesterday. I don't know if it had to do with the rush that Michigan put on us or if our play calling was just not that good. With all the problems we had yesterday and the high level that Michigan played, we were still in a position to win the game with two minutes to go but couldn't control Michigans defensive line.
:? I'm going to give up on this section. Its like I'm reading a foreign language. If anyone thinks that I posted something just to defend Corey, then you don't know Corey and you certainly don't know me. I don't even know where to begin with the rest of that stuff, other than the ridiculous idea that Tebow could beat out any of USC's QBs. He can only exist as a QB at any school if they change the entire offense just for him. BTW- I've never heard anyone around here (SoCal) say that Nebraska shouldn't have been in the NC game because they didn't win their conference. That argument is irrelevant. Nebraska shouldn't have been in the NC game, because they were totally obliterated in their conference title game and were barely holding on to a spot in the Top 10, while #2 Oregon went uninvited. THAT was the argument and it's still the point that matters most. The two best teams should play...
I have said numerous times how crazy it was that Nebraska lost 66-35 or something like that and didn't win their conference and by some quirk they made the Rose Bowl vs. Miami. It was ludicrous. Equally ludicrous is your idea of Tebow's skills. It's so obvious you have not watched him play.....why do you even comment on that? I suggest you search You Tube for some Tebow highlights and see what you think after watching some of his TDs and other plays.
I've watched him play <t>every game this season.<br/> <br/> I've openly questioned his ability as a passer. He has a strong arm. (meaning he can throw the deep ball well) Is he accurate? Its hard to say because UF's offense really is so simplistic in terms of routes run etc. It sure doesn't look like it. Mechanically, he's a nightmare especially under pressure...throws off back foot, 'slingin' to get rid of it or put touch on the ball under duress. Part of that is the 'on the spot' decision making allowed in Urban's offense.. will he run, will he pass, who knows?? well, a real defense took the run away and gave him about 4.5 seconds to pass the ball.. He failed..<br/> <br/> The problem is, you're free to have an opinion..unless you're going to say something Gator isn't the greatest ever.. Then somehow one's opinion becomes a joke.well laugh all you want, but the Golden child hasn't shown he can lead a passing offense..And while he ran all over SEC defenses like a grown man over little boys, Michigan's defense was dropping him like a fat kid on his first pair of ice skates.<br/> <br/> I didn't see my dad as running to my defense..He and I disagree all the time...but he can't possibly say something that agrees with me without it being discounted as him rushing to defend me..</t>
O.K., I like this metaphor: But, WTF are you trying to do with this sentence? I get that you are using a food metaphor (side salad) when analyzing Florida's spread offense but a pony entrée? Equating a horse with food would work in a sentence discussing French soccer but you are putting the chicken before the cart when you combine a pony with a athlete side salad in a football discussion. Plus, the line that USC has 4 Qbs better than Tebow is a recycled version of Vince Young would be lucky to be a tight end in the PAC 10. That line was later proven to be gloriously wrong; my bet is that history will repeat herself again. You guys are threading in thin water with this nonsense.
Greetings Sid! Only on TV. I have been renting a place in Wisconsin since starting work in Milwaukee in September with my wife and Lloyd in GR in the home we still have not sold. I spent most of the holidays catching up with friends & family in Michigan or taking Lloyd for a daily dog-park romp.
This statement is so far from reality that I don't know where to begin, so I won't. I'll just say Bobda hit it on the nose. Corey, you and I both know this is nonsense. If it wasn't for the fact that you find so many things wrong with the Gators then find such asinine ways to state them than I for one wouldn't say anything. You thrive on making statements like you ended the above with knowing it is inflammatory then feign amazement when someone challenges you. For you to come up with this nonsense that saying something about the Gators causes poor Corey to be picked on. That's plain nonsense and you know it. One's opinion may become a joke when they have to state things dramatically then can't stand the heat when someone else responds.
By the way JO'Co let me also say this to you and Tailback. It's easy to take cheap shots like you two, and Corey, did with Tebow. However I didn't see anything constructive at all from JO'Co and Tailback about who should have won the Heisman if you think Tebow shouldn't have, after these bowl games just who should have been voted the Heisman? I started a topic asking who should have won, Corey put forth the kid from Texas Tech, he didn't seem to know his name but did give some numbers. However I notice that other than dumping on Tebow here neither you or Tailback had any suggestions as to who should have won. With you two it's obviously ABBTT (Any Body But Tim Tebow). Which of course was no surprise to me as once you get past the cheap shots neither of you had much of an alternative.
well <r>is it not true that he ran all over SEC defenses...and is it also not true that he did not have the same overpowering showing against UM's defense?<br/> <br/> Bobda,<br/> <br/> LOL. Sorry, I will keep the cuisine threads in line from now on <E></E></r>