Heisman Watch

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  1. IrishCorey

    IrishCorey Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if you guys caught this piece, but it's causing quite a stir. If this thing gained one-one thousandth the traction that the Te'o article on Deadspin did, I'd say the kid has zero chance at the Heisman.

    Instead, it's just pissing off Florida State fans.

    http://deadspin.com/why-i-believe-jameis-winstons-accuser-1479782169

    Aside from their out-of-touch understanding of what a prosecutor is supposed to do, it's an interesting perspective piece from a rape survivor. I've known more than a few of them in my day. When you look at the prism of reality through their eyes and experience, it's easy to see why situations such as this are so frustrating.
     
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    Well if the young lady's story was true and she just lost the he said she said battle because Winston had 2 friends who were in the apt and said it was all consensual then that is a shame. But if she was a girl who afterwards decided she regretted it and her friends/roomates told her she was drunk so she should report him and get back at him ...then it's a good thing she didn't win.

    Did you read Ronald Darby's (Winston's friend/teammate) description of the events? He could of course be a lying SOB, but then so could she.

    I hope if she was raped she recovers like the girl in the story you linked, if she wasn't raped and was just mad and wanted some money or payback for morning after regret...then I don't feel sorry for her.

    I think I remember you had a buddy who went through this hell when he was accused of rape and didn't do it and I think it ruined his life. I think that Montana QB who was accused of it had to go through a trial and won, probably never gets his reputation back. Sad when false accusations are made and there are so many others that are genuine and don't get justice.
     
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    Absolutely. I literally see both sides of this spectrum and have known people on both sides of the sham in this type of situation. It's hard for me to sit in a room of rape survivors, as I've done, and try to give them perspective so to keep them from swinging the broad brush stroke. Such things led to the Duke Lacrosse travesty.

    At the same time, there most certainly is a 'rape culture' mindset in this country (and others) that leads to a lot of shameful 'she was asking for it' or 'she should have known better' type of apologists who are aiding a rape after the fact.

    Kids do stupid ****, that's a fact. They are surrounded by adults with agendas that have nothing to do with the truth, justice or anything pertaining factually to these types of situations. Innocent people, or people simply trying to do the right thing, are often afraid to get involved out of fear of litigation if things don't go 'their way.'

    I think I've shared the story here before of the panty sniffing bandit at UMD. I took a whole lot of egg on my face over that kid. I recruited him. I went to bat for him. When the witch hunt started with almost no evidence against the kid whatsoever, I stood up against the entire administration, athletic department, victim's rights groups and the police department to defend this kid.

    In the end, it turns out that they were right and they let me know all about it. That little **** head lied to me and I'd still punch him right in the nose to this day if I saw him again. What got lost in all of that, was all I really called for was some modicum of evidence. At the time I stood up for him, they had none. He had been busted for being black out drunk in the female dorms after hours. While that sounds nefarious, it makes him no different than a few hundred other male students who had been busted for the same thing. It made him no different than a few hundred female students who had been busted for the same thing. What we had going on around campus was a panty sniffing bandit. How they ever jumped to the conclusion that it was him initially, I'll never know but they wound up being right. I owned up for my actions. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person involved who ever did.

    And that, right there, is part of the problem. People aren't accountable. They are afraid of being accountable. Probably justifiably, and I'm just an idiot.