The fact remains gentlemen that gun violence and mass murder is out of control in this country. Stricter gun laws do not mean you cannot own a gun and protect your family or be an American. But someone... somehow has convinced you of it.
Dave I cannot speak for anyone else but I have ZERO faith in my government in any and all facets to look after my way of life. You mentioned someone has convinced us that we cannot own a gun with stricter laws. Do you think maybe that is because every left leaning progressive article, interview, stump speech given mentions that our guns need to be taken away. Then add to the fact that this has been repeated every five minutes for the past 15 years. So yeah I can get a little touchy when someone says we need even more stricter gun laws, the government should do it and they have my best interest in mind. I'm also troubled by your attitude that "so what if a few legit people get left out of gun ownership". So what if laws already in place are ignored, so what if legal rights are ignored, So what if someone ignores your right to free speech. It's for the greater good according to x,y and z so just accept it.....
There is no evidence to support your call for greater gun control, Dave. None at all. How about enforcing the laws already on the books?
I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't trust the current regime... All those erased hard drives prove nothing... All those IRS initiatives to target conservative groups mean nothing... Attempting to go along with a UN treaty that directly violates the constitution means nothing... You're right... Nothing to see here. :roll:
The reason these mass murders will continue to proliferate is bcause of this mass hysteria the right has about the left. It's crazy in and of itself this hysteria. Has anyone of clout proposed that the government swoop in with those black helicopters... invade homes and remove guns? What we are talking about here is to make it a more thorough process to obtain weapons legally... more intense background checks. Maybe a data base of mental health clinic visits....anti-psychotic drug prescriptions, etc etc. Can it really be OK with you guys what has been going down in the country with all of the senseless killings by deranged shooters? You would rather get on board with right wing hysteria instead of agreeing to sane measures to stop this violence?
First we had "sane measures" to fight The War on Poverty. So far we've spent trillions and haven't put a dent in it. (We could have used that money to deport all the illegals here.) Then there is the War on Drugs. Plenty of "sane measures" absolutely no battles won. And now we're going to start a War on Guns because we're so good at tilting at windmills. There's a law against murder, but the killing happens. We've made drugs illegal but those that want them get them. Watch the terrorists in Europe. When they want to mass murder they do because even in those gunless heavens guns will always be available. GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE AND LAWS DON'T SAVE THEM. STOP WASTING YOUR TIME!
Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun. 168 innocent people killed (19 under the age of 6) 680 innocent people injured Let's ban fertilizer, fuel, and box vans! Murderers will murder. :roll:
Neither did Richard Speck, Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, or Ted Kaczynski. Before there was Columbine and Newton there was Bath, Mi. http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/18/bath_school_bombing_remembering_the_deadliest_school_massacre_in_american.html Kehoe didn't use a gun.
Serial killers killing one at a time are horrible.... and sometimes take many lives. Bombings are horrfific crimes... but those of any magnitude are pretty sporadic over the years. What we have now is almost a weekly occurence of mass shootings somewhere..... not to mention all of the gun homicides in general. So we do nothing while we allow the shooting to embarass us to the rest of the world and undermine our message of freedom and of the United States as a great place to live.
Who is doing the shooting? Conservative white guys like me? This guy the other day was a black racist and and angry gay fellow who sat down and wrote his little manifesto of hatred and went out and murdered two innocent people. I thank god that the piece of **** ate the last one himself so the rest of us don't have to pay his room and board for the duration. Was a time that honest people owned guns because they hunted or collected. Now people are arming up like there is no tomorrow because they are afraid. And why not? They are vilified by the very animals who prey on them. And to double down on the threat, the president tells these taxpaying victims that they don't do enough, they are racist, homophobic and anti Muslim. If you think for moment that people are going to stop buying guns, ammo and anything else they can procure to protect their little slice of the American dream while everybody tells them that THEY are what's wrong with America.
Because it seems like such a simple premise to pass laws that make it difficult or impossible for the mentally ill to acquire guns and yet the very mention of it draws knee jerk vehement objection from the right I am left to draw one conclusion.... it's all political. That's a pretty sad statement.
The mentally ill kid who killed those kids in Newton stole the gun from his mother. Tell me what law we could possibly pass that could have prevented that. No platitudes. No theoretical ******** you throw out. The problem with you ideologues is that you really don't care about the result. You just get off passing a law and think that's solution to the problem. We have laws against murder and they kill. We have laws against drugs and they get into this country and people use them. What possible law could we pass that would prevent mentally ill people from somehow obtaining and using guns.
Would just like to throw out the emotion of the politics Gipper and try to make this nation a better place. To constantly have these mass shootings by insane unstable people on the nightly news is embarrassing, tragic and unimaginable in a civilized western society. I would even venture that as long as it remains such a volatile political argument for the right that it encourages these events because the sanity of the background check debate is forsaken for the sake of the politics.
Dave, That statement reveals just how far you have your head down in the sand and don't want to face the reality of the situation. There are already a myriad of laws that prohibit the mentally ill and felons from getting guns. And surprise surprise, we ALL want them to work. (some how you seem to think we're ok with the killers having guns. Let me say this slowly: WE ARE NOT) Guess what? All those laws, including the overly stringent versions like they have in Chicago and New York haven't stopped them yet. NEWS FLASH: Stolen, or black market weapons are not subject to ANY laws...
Stolen and black market guns are responsible for mental meltdown killings? Or are they more involved in street killings? The teacher in N.H. who's son was off the deep end had 4 guns I believe. A female teacher in N.H.? Really? Whats the deal there?
Guns are never RESPONSIBLE for any killing, only the person pulling the trigger can take that. I have 6 guns Dave, what does the number matter? One was all she needed to have so he could STEAL IT. WHICH HE DID... which is the exact type of killing you are talking about. Hells bells man, at least use an argument that you haven't already dissolved yourself...
Just a little speculation there Scott. Unless the quiet teacher was a gun hobbyist why the F did she have 4 guns? http://nypost.com/2012/12/16/mother-shared-her-gun-obsession-with-school-shooter-adam-lanza/ Pretty sick situation. Too bad no one thought this woman in the situation she was in with her lunatic son had forfeited her constitutional right to gun ownership. But half the country wouldn't have intervened because that would be a sign of weakness.... and unconstitutional. Let paranoia prevail I guess.
The fact that you believe it's possible (and preferable!)for a person to FORFEIT their constitutional rights based on the actions or condition of another person tells me all I need to know about you. I'm out.