Greetings From The Big 10

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  1. GaterzFan

    GaterzFan New Member

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    I like Herbie but there is no denying he was so very pro-Michigan ....as regards who should face OSU in the BCSCG ... then pro-OSU in analysis leading up the game .... he wasn't close to being objective and did serve as the poster boy of the "anti-UF" crowd.

    Herbie's what makes "41-14" so enjoyable. That ... and the irony in OSU players being "relegat(or)ed" to waving Gatorade :D towels in an effort to rally their fans.
     
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    Florida fans...if you want to accuse every sportscaster that thought Michigan should be in the NC game and that Ohio State was going to win easily of some kind of bias then Herbstreit will have a lot of company on your ****list. I think he was just wrong. He may have lost a lot of credibility and he obviously is not the judge of talent that he thought he was. He is a Big 10 kind of guy and the fact that the vast majority of the country didn't think you belonged in the game and gave you no chance to win should just make your win that much sweeter.
     
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    kp, I can only speak for myself personally, but I do not think everyone that thought Michigan belonged in the game instead of Florida was biased. What I do think, in fact am convienced, is that Herbie and ESPN was strongly camaigning against Florida and in favor of Michigan. ABC owns ABC and they have the Big 10 and there is not much doubt in my mind that it was to some degree a corporate line.

    However Herbie led the charge and yes I do believe he, not every sportswriter, but he was very biased and was way over the line in the manner he approached the discussions.

    And you are comletly right that it was so much sweeter.

    Terry, I'm not a fan of Mark May either and understand how you feel. In fact because of my opinion stated above I slacked off watching ESPN talking heads toward the end of the season.
     
  4. GaterzFan

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    Just FWIW ..... this sentiment as regards Herbie and to a lesser degree his sports media brethren who pretty much stated "UF doesn't belong and will be run over by the OSU juggernaut" is nothing new. In post BCSCG interviews, Meyer said it was not at all difficult to motivate the UF team ..... only needing to circulate among the squad the many, many "UF doesn't belong in Glandale" comments. And there were many.
     
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    Princeton is loaded with $$$. Their endowment is over $ 700,000 per student, so it can well afford to give out financial aid. Dartmouth on the other hand has a warchest of only $ 220,000 per student.

    Princeton’s financial aid package is based on a need basis. It does not award financial aid based upon merit and does not award athletic scholarships. Princeton changed it’s financial package about 5 years ago giving out more grants and replacing loans with grants and reducing the factor that home equity has upon FA.

    Tuition is about 33,000 , room and board another 9,000 for a total of $42,000 per year. A full ride at Princeton is 33K a year. They make up the 9 K difference with student, loans, summer work/ study and whatever the family can contribute. Their athletes must meet the same academic requirements as the general student body. There are only about 180 students whose family incomes are below 40K threshold. This figure doubled from 90 since 2001 and includes many foreigners who are accepted on a need blind basis. Princeton is on of 6 schools that accept foreigners on a NEED BLIND basis which means the school wants the best student and that family income is never a consideration for admission. There’s only 5 or 6 Div1A football schools that accept domestic students on a NEED BLIND basis . Stanford, Duke,Wake Forest and Rice are 4 that I can think of.


    Below is a sample of how Princeton calculates it’s financial aid.

     
  6. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Do you mean that the class is formed by taking the 1000 or 2000 (or however many freshman that are in a class) most/best qualified students. No consideration is given to wheter they might play on the Tennis/Golf/Field Hockey/Soccer/Football/basketball/baseball/etc teams? If that is true then I don't know how they field teams at all consistently.

    I don't know but I would assume that they would have to find qualified students who can play tennis/golf/field hockey/regular hockey/basketball/baseball on the Ivy League level. If they do then most likely there is going to be at least some athletes who although very good highs school students and certainly capable of succeeding at an Ivy League School, get into Princeton who might not have gotten in on their academic merits alone.
     
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    I disagree that Ohio State "didn't show up" and to me that demeans Florida's great effort and athleticism shown that night.

    OSU certainly had a bad night but to imply they didn't show up is to imply that given the opportunity they would try harder and the results would be far different.

    I think they could be more competitive than they were but if UF played every OSU game as motivated as they were that night (thanks Herbie) I see it as unlikely that the 2006 OSU team could beat the 2006 Florida team.

    Again...being motivated is huge but that wasn't the only difference in the two teams in Glendale as evidenced by the 13 Florida players invited to the NFL combines....most for any school.
     
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    Almost two months since you won the NC and your STILL on here every day selling the game to us. We saw it. We believe. :lol:
     
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    George....I have seen the "Ohio State didn't show up" reference in a few different places and I thought it was time for a response.

    I realize no harm intended by Stu but still the comment can be misleading.
     
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    I'm sure everybody is getting a big chuckle out of this.

    If you guys want to continue to selectively quote Herby or whomever, fine...but I am sick and tired of having my own posts selectively quoted and completely distorted.


    What part of that is so hard to understand?...let me be clear, OK?...I have a lot of respect for Florida, the SEC, their fans, and you...it's a concept however that seems to be foreign to some people.

    You were and are the better team...by a huge margin.
    I don't really think that you believe that...but let me be perfectly clear and try to make a statement that doesn't need to be spun...

    I don't want or intend to demean anything at all about Fla's team or their athleticism or the great effort that they put out...

    But anybody who thinks that Ohio State showed up for that game is as dumb as a stump.

    And I'm done.
     
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    So stu ....... do you realize you are now quoting "Herbie's excuses" for "41-14"??!! :D
     
  12. George Krebs

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    Team competitions are about matchups. That is always the way it is. Personnel dictates the outcome. Some teams just don't match up well and OSU certainly didn't match up well with UF.

    That's why they play the games.

    :idea:
     
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    ding, ding, ding, ding.....Stu, I think we have a couple of winners.... or losers as the case may be !
     
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    "But anybody who thinks that Ohio State showed up for that game is as dumb as a stump."

    How about show up next time so our stomping of the buckeyes can be viewed as legitimate.
     
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    Ya know....funny how Ohio State fans think they haven't shown up NINE times in a row vs. the SEC in bowl games.

    I knew there must be some consistent factor why they can't seem to beat the SEC in a bowl and that obviously is it according to bucks fans.

    I think it would have eased the pain considerably if I just reasoned that UF didn't show up in 2005 vs. Alabama when the Tide beat the crap out of us in Tuscaloosa but deep down inside I knew that they just whipped our ass that day....no matter what.
     
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    LOL ... nice try at an insult, T-buck!!! It was about as effective as osu's "we didn't show up" offense in that 41-14 BCSCG!!!

    8)

    MCG -

    Sorry I haven't IMd to you the information on Cedar Key. I really don't have a recommendation but I will try to find one.
     
  17. BuckeyeT

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    Good job boys.....nothing makes the case more clear than additional evidence. Keep up the good work.
     
  18. GaterzFan

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    Ohhhh T-buck ...... that attempted insult brings to mind Troy Smith's QB rating in the BCSCG.

    :lol:
     
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    BT,

    I believe it is you bucks that have inserted the personal insult here.

    As I read it.....on the one hand your opinion is that UF won fair and square and all that but...still...we are "dumb" if we think OSU showed up.

    Hmmmm.....we're not that dumb.
     
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    Let the record show, I did not say that.....but perhaps we could put it to a vote?
     
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