GET SOME FREQUENT FLYER MILEAGE WILL YA FLORIDA

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Let's poll the members.....

p.s. are you a betting man?

 

LOL...SEC is not just the best conference, they are NFL level and UF would give the Patriots, Steelers, Saints, etc a really good game!

As I said to MCG and some other Gators, they give the impression that they feel even Vanderbilt is a tough game and they'd likely be one of the best teams in any other conference!!

 

Uh....where did I say....always?

Of course that would be sheer conjecture and not likely to happen.

Has the SEC been the best in the BCS years? When half of it's 12 members have been BCS Champions or ranked #1 or in Auburn's case 13-0.... I would say that in those 12 BCS years the SEC has a good chance of having been the top conference for those years.

BT...you mention some recent bowl results but I know the Big 10 has a lousy record vs. the SEC in bowl games without even looking.

I posted overall bowl wins before:

All-time conference bowl records:

Bowls Wins Losses Ties Win %
SEC 348 190 149 9 .559
Pac-10 193 103 88 2 .539
Big Ten 209 97 111 1 .467
ACC 166 81 83 2 .494
Big 8 127 63 63 1 .500
Southwest 151 63 80 8 .444
Big 12 92 45 47 0 .489
Big East 76 42 34 0 .553
WAC 101 42 58 1 .421

SEC = 190 all-time bowl wins......# 2 PAC 10 = 103 all-time bowl wins....

 

Well you have to consider that the B10 only sent 1 team to a bowl until some time in the 70's I believe.

So to be fair to the B10 you'd have go back to the point when they started letting all their teams go to bowls if invited.

 

True Terry.

I am certain the SEC had more cracks at it annually until 1970 but also there were relatively few at large bowl opportunities in those days compared to the last 20 years or so.

It would be interesting to see these numbers prior to 1970.....total bowls played by conference and total wins.

 

SEC fans talking about semi-pro players?

lol

That Auburn team was beaten in the two previous seasons by USC...

USC had to ''prove" their #1 ranking over a 2 year period...

 

USC was a great team....had a great run....and that is readily admitted.

That's one team.......vs. 6.....

The point being that those 6 teams in the BCS mix from the SEC didn't just evolve overnight into BCS title contenders. They were good teams that became great teams at least for one season.

In the case of Florida and now Bama it's been several years running.

 

Correct TOK....until the 1975 season, only one Big 10 team was allowed to go bowling - and that was to the Rose Bowl. Period. No where else...further, prior to that, no team could go anywhere two years in a row. So even if you went undefeated and won the conference championship, were ranked #1 in the nation, if you had represented the conference in the Rose Bowl the prior year, you stayed home.

 

I simply mentioned the last time these great teams in this great conference played a Big 10 team.....they all lost. All of them.....

Conincidentally, they just happened to be in bowl games.....given the propensity to travel on the part of some of our SEC friends, when else would they play?

That said, if you want to look at all games played, at the end of the day, there is only one conference that can claim an all-time winning record against all others.....your first clue is that it is not the SEC.

Dude, you don't just "assert" SEC dominance in all things all the time to the point that even your SEC brethren are embarrassed by your shilling.....the only time you stop patting yourself on the back is to allow yourself to thump your chest whilst blowing your own horn......facts be damned as some would say.......carry on.

 

Bingo......but the last time they played a Big 10 team - for example - they lost.....but the SEC continues to rule because they were good at some point whilst the other conferences suffer and/or prosper only because of their own mediocrity. Surely you must see the fallacy in that view.....if not, nothing more can be said that is not a complete waste of time.

 

T said this quite well.

You see... when it isn't our 'big one' from the Pac10, then the other team must prove their merit over a multi year period.

When your teams go (even when they lose they still go) they get the nod.

You have admitted yourself that due to the SECCG, your teams have proven more and deserve the nod.

I eagerly anticipate your raging defense of a once beaten Pac10 champ that wins the soon-to-be Pac12 title game in their quest for a spot in the BCS title game.

 

Here are the numbers:

The top 6 teams in the SEC....UF, Ga, Al, LSU, Tenn, Aub are 54-29 all time vs. the Big 10.

The top 6 teams in the Big 10....OSU, UM, MSU, Iowa, PSU, Wisc are 58-50 all time vs. the SEC.

The bottom half of the SEC has fared poorly vs. the Big 10 obviously.

Here are the records:

Al 13-9 UM 20-5
Aub 7-3 MSU 5-7
Fl 9-5 OSU 7-11
Ga 8-2 Wi 4-8
LSU 7-5 PSU 17-16
Tn 10-5 Iowa 5-3

54-29 58-50

The total between the two conferences all time is 91-97 Big 10.

For the past 12 years I suspect that the SEC has the edge in numbers but I don't have that time right now.

Obviously at 54-29 the top half of the SEC has been dominant over the Big 10...no question. The top of the Big 10?....not so much.

Take out SEC killer Michigan's stellar 20-5 record and you aren't left with much from that group.

 

You can parse the data any way that you see fit to include this or exclude that will help you with your argument while ignoring anything of an equally valid nature that may be contradictory......it's absurd, a scam and it's a superficial one at that.....the data so presented on both sides evidences many things but one thing that it does not is that the SEC's dominance runs so deep and has for so long that it renders all other games between all other teams in all other conferences second tier status, hardly worthy of the term "quality" and worthy of nothing more than scorn in comparison to the exalted ones......the more shrill and incessant you are in peddling that nonsense to an informed, intelligent group capable of self-thought such as this one, the more absurd it seems.

I'll leave you to again argue with and contradict yourself incessantly......Carry on my wayward son.....

 

BT/Corey,

The essence of our debate is why is the top performing team out of that top half of the SEC enjoying the benefit of the doubt at BCS selection time.

The numbers I gave you of 54-29 for that group of 6 vs. the Big 10 conference is relative specifically to what Terry has put forth here about SEC vs. Big 10.

Draw what conclusions you may.

 

No...

the numbers I gave you are what you are looking past..

2 titles in 17 years...

Why do YOU get the benefit of the doubt that no one else gets annually? What had you done in the previous 17 years that would separate you from the pack?

The partition is clear. Once we went to the BCS, you've had teams playing for the title on an every other year basis..

What changed? The system....

 

Corey,

When we are talking about this coming season....and how the BCS rates the SEC vs. others shouldn't we be more focused on the results of the past 4 years? Or maybe the past 12 years?

And...at 13-0 Auburn remains the ONLY major conference power shut out of the BCS Title game with an unbeaten record. That should count for something.

I can't see how 2 titles in a 17 year period is more important than 4 out of 4 or 6 out of 12 when the latter two should tell us much more about where we are heading into the season.

By the way though...I do think the SEC....other than AL and Fla seems to be weaker than in past seasons.

We'll have to see if LSU, Aub and Ga can rise to better levels of play than they currently seem to be at and also if Arkansas can play up to a contending level ( for the SEC West). Tenn right now is an unknown and it seems like the Vols are hurting at least for this year.....but I expect they don't stay down too long.

 

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Yes...and thank you very much UCLA. :wink:

...and LSU thanks Pittsburgh and Old Man winter...

 

Very nice catch Tom.....I didn't know anybody was watching. My compliments.....well done.

as they say, "Carry on my wayward son, there'll be peace when you are done...."

No, that is not the essence of our debate......I believe the thread was in regards to UF's frequent flyer miles or lack thereof.....I believe that debate was closed in a straightforward manner - UF doesn't schedule difficult non-conference games outside the friendly and familiar confines of your home state. Period. It's your heritage, it's in your DNA, it's how you roll, it's how you've always rolled, it has served you well, embrace it.......it's OK.

Now, feel free to make up your own debates and carry on in the manner you find most pleasurable......

 

Last time I saw Kansas, Cindy and I were living in Albuquerque and they played at a little place named Midnight Rodeo. We were about 15 feet from the stage. Of course, the worst seats in the house were about 50 feet from the stage. I think this was in 1997.