Quit revising history MCG. Bush was blamed for everything from even before he was sworn in. Now the loony left wants to continue blaming him for everything. According to the LL if things aren't straightened out in the next 20 years it will all be Bush's fault.
Bill, All I am saying is that as of January 21st of this year....Obama was handed as big a mess domestically and internationally of any I can remember in my lifetime and probably in the course of American history with regard to the change of U.S command. No revisions necessary.... :wink:
How many presidents were handed a worse situation than Obama? FDR had a Depression to deal with but this economy was getting pretty damned close to it. We were in an isolationist mode at the time FDR came in while Hitler built his army for future aggressions while Obama was handed two ongoing and costly conflicts in the Middle East with Iran and N. Korea out there just for additional kicks. Certainly Bush didn't have control or even an influence over all of these things but still.....it's the hand Obama was dealt and it ain't pretty. You think Obama has been handed a cake set up by Bush........really? :roll:
...not even remotely. Like I said, we clearly studied different American history, but that comes as no surprise because typically yours is a figment of your own imagination.
Yes but your imagination has you thinking that Bush did a good job and he handed Obama an economy that wasn't severely screwed up and in the throes of a horrific recession.....one of the most severe in my lifetime. The difference between you and I is that I would have genuinely hated Gore's administration and the Dems by this past fall if those are the results they came up with after 8 years in office and I was in danger of losing my job by election time....as I was. I absolutely would have voted a 100% Republican ticket in that case. In your case.....you are rigid and insensitive to the plight of many....except for a very small group of elitist in which you consider yourself a member and so you protect and defend that group and those who support it and I guess who could blame you?
So what exactly was Bush "handed?" The tech bubble had burst, and was headed downward. Al Quaeda's plans to attack the WTC were well under way. 8 mos. into his administration, 9/11. The markets crashed. The airline, tourism, and financial markets on Wall St. were severly damaged. Billions had to be now dedicated to increased security from everything to airports to county court houses. Fear of future more serious attacks spread throughout the country. So what did Bush get for steering the economy back on track for 6 yrs? For stopping all attacks on American soil? The most vile, untruthful, nasty media assassination I have ever seen.
I'll go on record as agreeing that Bush did a great job with Homeland Security......after 9-11.....but not before. He had 8 months to crack down on Al Qeda himself....or at least find out what they were up to....or at least take seriously what "crackpots" ( as he and Rice must have surmised ) like Dick Clark were trying to tell him. "Steering" the economy back on track? Stocks were lower when he left after 8 years than when he took office. Housing, construction, automotive and financial markets were in shambles and the only people chortling about how well they were doing were short sellers and Haliburton.
What a crock......an elitist? A very small group...? Protect and defend them.....? An elitist from a broken home on the wrong side of the tracks in urban Columbus, graduating in the lower half of his class of a city high school, matriculating to good old State U because it was the only viable option available. Through a combination of wise career choices, raw ambition, energy, street savvy, some brains, ridiculously long hours and hard work and yes indeed, good fortune I guess I arrived when somebody who has no idea who I am calls me an elitist.....perhaps in a classic American sense, if struggling through unfortunate circumstances, making wise choices and doing whatever it takes to find some manner of success is an elitist....I plead guilty. There is no reason anybody else in the America I grew up in cannot do the same......protect and defend the right for everybody to chase the same dream of becoming an "elitist"....you bet your ass! Insensitive? I am insensitive to those who refuse to be accountable for their themselves. Who blame others for the consequences of their own poor decisions and believe they are somehow entitled to things they have not earned and who spend more time bitching and moaning about their misfortune than doing something to improve their condition. I am insensitive to those that begrudge others the fruits of labors that have escaped them and attribute their success to some "elitist" conspiracy. I am insensitive to those who seek to penalize those who have achieved and subsidize those who have not thereby creating the type of disincentives to both - ahcievers and non-achievers - that will destroy the America I grew up in.....will destroy the chance that my children will have to chase the same opportunities that I had, that everybody has.....I am insensitive to those short-sighted enough to believe that to confiscate the wealth from those that have achieved to subsidize those who have not we are somehow doing a good and charitable thing when in fact we are eroding the very fabric of the American dream and launching it on a destructive path that will deny magnificent opportunites for generations to come......elitist? insensitive? Eat cake.....
The level of deceit and greed in this country is at an all time high. You and I have disagreed in the past as to the appropriateness of such things as the predatory types of activities that you didn't have to deal with when you were "growing up"....such as "legal" loan sharking by credit card companies which Congress has cracked down on somewhat. I also agree wholeheartedly that people need to make their own opportunities and take advantage of those that come their way by hard work and by utilizing their skills and intelligent decision making. I don't agree with you that everyone will get a fair shake....that the playing field is always level and that everyone can be trusted to do the right thing. I believe you deep down think the "American" way is all about who can get the upper hand on the next guy and pin him to the ground by his throat. Congratulations....you have fared well based on your limited opportunities given you in your youth. It does shed even a little more insight to your hardline approach. Good for you you have always made the right decisions (which by the way is quite incredible) and God help you if you should falter and prove you're human because the bigger they are the harder they fall. What irritates me is that you seem to think you somehow would have fared better than many of us up here in Michigan with the automotive meltdown. That miraculously you would have left your high paying automotive related sales job even when there seemed to be no imminent danger of losing it because you would have had such great insight and desire to achieve that you would have had the vision and inspiration to start over in some other industry. When times are good and work is fruitful it is very difficult to toss it all aside when you have kids in college and bills to pay even if somehow there was a clear warning that your livelihood was about to implode. There was no such warning in the case of GM and Chrysler that what ensued was much more immediate than distant and I don't think many in real estate and construction thought the end of their gainful employment was approaching as fast as it did either. As for me....I leave Michigan tomorrow after 31 years....leave my wife and kids behind.....and travel to Florida to begin a new job for half the pay because believe it or not I am just as determined to earn a paycheck and pay my bills as you are.
....I don't believe that for a second. This country has never been without greed and deceit and bad actors seeking to take whatever they can. Ever.... I never said everyone will get a fair shake and the playing field is always level....newsflash, it ain't! So what? That is no different today than it has ever been.....some will have to work harder than others.....bfd. Quit bitchin' about it, sack up and grow a pair.....the rewards are there for all..... You don't know anything about me.....but I do believe that competition is at the heart of the "American way", the essence of human nature and is a good and natural thing. Competition has been a core ingredient in the development of the greatest society the world has ever known.....if you believe competiton is bad, I don't know what to tell ya......other than perhaps give trophies to all the kids who participate regardless of results but don't be surprised at what you get when they grow up and face the world.
Again, you're chasing ghosts....I've made no such claims. Given my heritage, they could not pay me enough to work up there, so any speculation you may have about what I think would happen if I did is pure fiction......if you enjoy spending your time making things up to irritate yourself, I can't help you.....that said, leaving my home state, family and friends behind 25 years ago for what I believed to be better prospects, turned out to be a correct decision.
Competition is a great thing....it is the ultimate American business practice and makes us who we are. Winning at all costs......with dishonesty and deceit has never been an accepted practice in this country even if it has always been with us.
Too bad all of us in the automotive business didn't have the foresight that you had to make our fortunes by manipulating other people's money as you have. But then...I guess the millions of us that did place our trust in the greatest manufacturing industry in history ( at least at the time we joined up ) are just a bunch of lazy non-competitive dunces.... :roll:
......you have no clue what you are talking about. If it is your intent to fabricate nonsense in a misguided effort to belittle the efforts of others, you are doing a fine job. Otherwise, you should stop before you make an a$$ out of yourself.
Let's just leave it that neither one of us knows squat about the other.....except that we are on opposite ends of the spectrum in our college football preferences at the very least least. Have a good one.
So....take that! :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm sure there is some meaning there, but I'll wait for a rational respondent to help me interpret...thoughts anyone?
8) MCG, I can see you are not doing too well with your insistence that Obama is facing the worst historical crisis of this nation. Thats not even close to being true. 1. Revolutionary War 2. Civil War 3. Deppression 4. WW!! 5 Cold WAr , Cuban Missile Crisis 6. 9/11 Those are just but a few far greater crisis that USA has faced with appropriate leadership possping up in each one of them from George Washington to George Bush. Can Obama be up to his hyperbolic rhetoric and deliver? Lets all hope so as otherwise we are all doomed.