1. More of your fibs. Those 'great' USC teams went 8-3 one year and 4-6-1. The 'great' USC team that you managed to tie was also beaten by Kansas and South Carolina. They were the first of many 'blah' Ted Tolner teams. Meanwhile your 'pretty decent' Florida teams were 8-4 and 9-2-1. Those were some of "Cheatin Charlie's" better efforts at Florida. 2. You again change the argument. My objection was that you refuse to recognize Tyrone Willingham as the program destroyer that he is. The lack of NFL talent is clearly an indicator of this. 3. Again, I made those comparisons in years past but I didn't see you putting much stock into them until the numbers fit your case of SEC supremacy.. That makes you a front runner AND a bullsh**er.
In 1982 under John Robinson an eventual 8-3 USC lost to an eventual 8-4 Florida by 17-9. UF lost that season to Vanderbilt and was waxed 44-0 by Georgia.(note:"Cheatin Charlie's" better efforts") USC lost by one to UCLA and by 7 at AZSt. The next year you're right....they tied and ultimately it was a pretty big screw up for Fla because USC's first year under Tollner wasn't all that good. Hey...I don't remember a lick about trying to portray TY W as someone who had all kinds of talent but wasn't using it. What I recall is that even when ND was managing to use smoke and mirrors one season to make a run at the BCS title game that I was never impressed with what they did not have as talent and what they were not accomplishing on the field and I caught hell for saying so.....mostly by you. That's what I remember.
You're hanging your hat on a win in John Robinson's last year? Keep in mind that the kids born that year are now in the NFL and too old to play college football themselves. Hey! I'm not the one saying Florida was bad then. Ole Cheatin Charlie had em going pretty good. You were saying USC was 'great' then... and that Florida was 'pretty good' when the reality is that the two weren't all that different that season. 8-3 is so far from 'great' by their standard that its laughable
When I look at the UF loss to Vandy.....(the 2nd to last time that has happened) and then the 44-0 whitewash by Georgia it's hard to get too excited by that team. USC had a better year record wise and closer losses but in any event it's the only game won between the two schools on the field. Oh....and by the way USC may not have been any good that year but their loss by 1 point was to a UCLA team that finished 10-1-1....were PAC10 Champions and they won the Rose Bowl over Michigan. The Trojans only other loss was to a 10-2 AzSt team who won their bowl game over Oklahoma. The more I look at it Florida was damned lucky to beat USC that year. 8) ....or maybe all that football played out west that year was just a sham....I dunno.... :lol:
Urban Meyer was 18 years old that year. Really? That is what you're hanging your hat on? Really? Pointing to a close USC-UCLA game as 'proof of quality' seems to shoot down your whole 'you just don't know how tough the game with Florida State is' rant....
UCLA was PAC10 and Rose Bowl Champion......I'll give them that were one of the best teams in the west that year if not the country. USC played 'em tough as they did another very good team ASU....and they lost the only loss between the two teams.....the only win by either over the other.....to Florida. Keep in mind it's only a big deal because somehow you have the cockeyed view that Fla doesn't compete with USC? Pretty comical if you ask me.
Corey, Listen man....you are a knowledgeable football guy. That said get rid of the anti-Gator bias and you are definitely worth debating things with. I don't know what else to say except that your bias is so evident that it detracts from reasonable arguments.
It isn't a Gator bias, which has become the great cop out for you on subjects when you're out of cards to play. You took a swipe at ND and you didn't like the return face wash I gave you. Fair enough.
That was my last post about Notre Dame....you call that a facewash? I speak what I believe to be true about any team...any time....anywhere. Hopefully I can back up these beliefs with facts and I am the first to admit if I have it wrong....which I did on the '83 Trojans but I absolutely nailed it on the '82 Trojans. By all appearances they were a very good John Robinson coached team that came up a little short vs. the two best teams west of the Mississippi that season and to a Florida team that had some talent but still played with inconsistency.
Jesus Christ you are splitting hairs now. You made a blanket statement which was pure crap and now you're back peddling, trying to hide behind a micro analysis of your macro statement. With all due respect Dave, you are bullshitting again. You don't even have the patience to let that crap scroll onto the next page. Your last ND post about ND was: You can keep on trying to serve up that spinner, but I'll keep hitting that puss out of the park. 1. You started an apples/oranges comparison using the Urban years at Florida comparing it to ND... Then when prompted to compare yourself with the 'gold standard' of top flight programs at this moment, you are now playing the 'We beat John Robinson' card... 2. You've been trying to change the argument ever since.
My USC comments were in response to those comments you made about "comparing ourselves to USC" and were not connected to what I thought about Notre Dame. So....I compared ourselves to USC and liked what I saw. My Notre Dame comments were an add-on to what Bill said as it relates to the recent NFL drafts: "Hey, don't hold your breath until Meyer is the coach at S. B" per Bill In other words....what I was trying to say is that maybe Meyer could get NFL first round type talent at ND or maybe not......that maybe getting top notch talent at ND has become harder to do for whatever reason and if so....why would Meyer want that kind of situation?
You were talking about the type of talent he could draw... so why not compare it to what USC has brought in during that same time Meyer is at Florida? That is on topic. Instead, you chose to talk about some historical event that took place when your current head coach was a senior in high school. Of course you liked YOUR comparison, it wasn't on topic or relevant. It just suited your reality. As for ND, we aren't in that upper tier of college football and that has everything to do with good ole Ty... and while I may be the last one on that bandwagon, I don't believe that people truly understand how much damage that guy did to the program. But that is why we aren't a valid comparison. I'll bet that some of Charlie's most recent classes produce a few first round draft picks.
Granted USC has had a lot of NFL talent in recent years...more so than Florida but Meyer's first recruiting season in 2005 was like many first year coaches tend to have....somewhat abbreviated and difficult. UF went through the same thing in 2002 with Zook's first recruiting season so that's twice in 8 years while at the same time Carroll has been at USC since 2001....stockpiling talent annually. Meyer has now recruited at UF for four straight years and he currently has a team stocked with USC/Carroll type of talent and that is the huge difference between this returning 2009 BCS Champion in Gainesville compared to the returning Champion in 2007 that had 9 starters missing on defense with very young, inexperienced replacements coming in.