actually bill <t>you will find I don't care one way or the other. You will also find that I don't care if this kid did it or not. Its not my call, its not my business. What I found interesting is that the EDSBS boys took Urban to task on this one a bit.</t>
Pardon me Corey, but you have a long track record of posting Florida and SEC negative stuff that you profess to have no interest in.
Terry, well you haven't read the Bear story..... and I guess you aren't going to but really anything we say will sort of pale i comparison to the original story... basically a kid was booted from the team for selling weed. the Bear booted him and let the kid live as a pariah in tuscaloosa. then, without any promise of redemption, the kid wound up being taken to a V.A. by the Bear. At the VA the kid would clean a young GI covered in his own filth, and get him dressed every day... i'm not there to say if this kid at Florida has done 1/100th of what the kid at Bama had to do, and I'd be shocked if he did anything more than keep his nose clean...but again, its not my business. These things have a way of working themselves out. Still, EDSBS calling out Urban on his decision.. that's interesting.
You will find that, more than anything, I'm just breaking up the SEC circle jerk. Please note, the Gator guys have run almost virtually unchecked for months.. They hijack thread after thread. It often takes the moderators days to get involved in something we all know is coming.. Meanwhile, Rick and I posted this and you jumped our ass (and agenda) a few hours after it was posted. That would appear to be quite hypocritical... But its ok, flying pigs and all. You've still done a whole lot of ad hominem and not a lot of addressing the issue. That isn't to say that you haven't addressed it, I'm just noting that you immediately went after Rick and I as opposed to the topic. GooooooooooooGators!
I think I've been around long enough and understand the membership well enough to know how people function, specifically to know when Corey is stirring things up and when he's not. IMO the huge (Grand Canyon huge) difference between Corey and the two-headed monster of MCG/GF is that he calls the shots as he sees them, regardless of whose feathers get ruffled. He talks directly (sometimes too directly IMO but I'm an old-school old man so I'm among the first to be critical of lack of "protocol"). He throws a topic out there and lets the conversation go in whatever direction it goes. MCG/GF have a single agenda and 100% of their comments are directed toward that agenda. If a topic does not lend itself to their agenda, but they see an opportunity to hijack it to change the direction, they will do so. That's not what Corey does, not by a long shot. If you follow the internet college football scene, as I do, you would be familiar with the EDSBS folks, and you would find it strangely ironic that they would be taking their beloved FL coach to task over any issue. It's worthy of note and conversation, but while it could be deemed as "stirring things up" it's not even remotely close to flaming. Corey's not critical of the kid or any other kid who gets in trouble. He's not passing judgement on anyone or anything. He simply is recognizing an irony in the world of internet college football commentary. Bill, I commend you, Tom, and Terry for the job you do in keeping order, but with the utmost respect for your efforts, I believe in this instance, you are barking up the wrong tree to think that Corey is doing the same thing that MCG/GF do.
Unchecked for months? Give me a break. The only two Gators around here for most of the months have been MCG and me, Gaterz just made one of his sometime appearances about a week or so ago. And apparently you do not read the times I take issue with MCG. You have a way with taking a situation and blowing it way way up. Also I've closed more of MCG's topics than everyone else here put together. Like I said WRT to Ronnie Wilson I made some comments in one of those topics I locked and I just posted a link to a lengthy article that address him. I think by your comment above you haven't bothered to read the article. Yes I took issue with you just after you posted, that was of course after making numerous posts to the two Gators warning them to let up and telling them I would lock the topic. I was on them for doing just what you did and I made my post to you. If that ruffles your feathers perhaps you should pay more attention to what I post and then not go out and do exactly what I called their hand for. Besides I didn't threaten to lock this topic, yet anyway, but it does get really tiring as a moderator when you try to correct things that go on then someone else feels they can do a tit for tat. I also took issue with the Wilson thing because if you had read anything I had posted you wouldn't say this nonsense about ducking the issue. Quit playing Mr. Innocent it doesn't fit well.
I think you would be amazed at the many times someone makes a comment that draws me in to respond and then that's when the hijack gets in full gear. I don't usually just jump in out of the clear blue with an "agenda"... I have started topics however that others take big whacks at and then the topic I started goes off on a tangent of conflict.
as I noted <t>its not that you don't take action.. its that it often takes quite a while for that action to take place.<br/> <br/> meanwhile, i post something that is both interesting and oddity...and myself (and rick) are called out within hours of the first post.<br/> <br/> I said that you were right, you can go ahead and lock it up. I just want to see the same thing happen when G2 kicks it into gear.</t>
Sid, there are few people here who's opinion I respect more than yours. But I am going to give you some thoughts from my perspective. First this quote from Corey So I'm having a bit of a problem accepting all your premise. Also I have not closed this topic like I did the other two. I respect Corey quite a bit myself, however though the years even before we had the so called unchecked, not true by the way, stuff going on Corey has always been very critical of Florida, our schedule, our coach and many others. Frequently I have enjoyed debating him. However when as a moderator I try to bring some order and even close topics the turnabout being fair play is plain bulls**t. But I guess it's part of the price I have to pay for the big salary I get for being a moderator. This rambling post is not quite as coherent as I would like but I think you probably understand my point. And I think I understand yours.
MCG, Give me a break. I'll continue to tell you that you go overboard and will continue locking topics if necessary. I hope it doesn't have to go beyond that.
Any topic should be able to be discussed. Topics should be locked when we start picking on each other. I haven't heard so much "He hit me first" stuff (I'm part of it) since my brother ratted me out to Mom when I was 6. (He lied, by the way...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
point of order <t>we've managed to make it 2 days without the Ohio State blows/Florida rules, SEC is awesome.. let's keep it up! <br/> <br/> <br/> Sincerely,<br/> Mr Innocent.</t>
Ok, it's a beautiful new day here in the Carolina mountains. The sun is shining, the grand kids an a young niece are still here. Life is good. So Corey let me ask you a simple and sincere question. Did you read the article I posted about Ronnie Wilson? And if you were the coach and he was off the team over a year, made up the 30 credits, carried the 3.0 GPA, and was and still is paying his own way, would you allow him to walk on? I'm going bowling again this morning and hope my improvement in the last game last week holds a bit.
Its funny. Here I am being asked to answer questions while the Gatornation continues to look the other way and not address the original point in my 1st post. But to answer you Bill, because I dodge no one, is that I don't know. It really is Urban's call. If he feels that the boy made up for it... then he did. I have a question for you Bill, I had a trooper for the lovely sunshine state (and Gator fan to boot) recently explain to me that what this kid did (discharging an automatic/semi-automatic weapon) in a public venue could have landed him hard jail time if he were anyone but a college athlete.... If that's the case, could it not be said that he's already been given his break? But back to yours.. Its Urban's call. Without being there and seeing what the kid did.. It sounds like he's being rewarded for going to school and not getting arrested.. Those hardly sound like things you should be rewarding people for, but to each their own. Its Urban's call.
Hard time for discharging a weapon, even an automatic one like he did, where there was not any collateral damage? Fla must be one tough state with prisons overflowing. While I can't say I know for sure, I'd be suprised if unlawful brandishing or discharging of a weapon would result in hard time in Texas, esp a first offense where there was a confrontation and the weapon was discharged into the air.
There are many crimes that "could have landed hard time" but usually don't when they are first offenses, nobody was injured, yada, yada...the only way to get that to happen is to get a jury and judge to throw the book at him and it really isn't worth the time, effort, and taxpayer's dollars to try to nail the kid, let alone whether it's fair or not...plus if they think the prosecutor's being unfair it could backlash. I don't know if this falls into the "anybody but a star athlete would have gone to jail" category but I tend to think it doesn't...but OTOH I guess I would have to defer to your local LE officer with local knowledge. If this kid isn't a thug and has straightened himself out I have no problem with letting him come back with the understanding that he has used up his GOOJF card. As for the EDSBS crowd, this is one of those cases where if they support Urban Meyer they get ridiculed for being homies, but since they came out against the decision they are causing the whole thing to be snickered at..."even your own boys don't agree with you." Even though I disagree with EDSBS, I think it actually speaks well for them that they aren't just automatically rubberstamping UM's decision.
Re: oh by the way <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> Guess it was made by a guy who grew up in Ohio ...... coached at ND and tOUS .... and is a fan of those two programs. I think he's an alum of tOSU. Some folks say he will one day be the head coach of one of those programs ...... and apparently has already been offered the job by one of those schools. <br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> Actually, the freshman who was injured (the one Meyer stole from Charlie Weiss) is now practicing along with Ron Wilson.</r>