Again Dave, you paint us all with the same brush. As long as you think that way, you will never be content.
George... It's the GOP and the Tea party that wants to paint all of you with the same brush when you and I know that it is patently untrue. Also interesting is that I saw a national exit poll analysis in which 63% of exiting voters polled blamed the poor economy on either Wall Street bankers ( 34% ) or on George Bush ( 29 % ) or on the Dems ( 29 % ). So.....63% blame it on Wall Street or Bush.
C'mon man.....it's clear that she's using the "corner store guy" metaphorically for the nation's small businesses. Whether you realize it or not, small businesses account for 75% of new jobs in our economy. The vast majority of small businesses are proprietorships or partnerships that for tax purposes the income runs through the individuals personal returns - i.e, individual tax rates. When you raise taxes for individuals with incomes in excess of $250K, you are raising taxes on the nation's job creating machine. When you have to reinvest the bulk of your earnings into your small business to take advantage of growth/expansion opportunities, that $250K is not a who helluva lot of money..... If you are suggesting that an increased tax burden on small businesses will not have an impact on investment, growth and job creation in our country, you are hopelessly ignorant and clueless about capital formation and economic growth in this society and would explain a helluva lot about some of your political positions..... Krebsie, you're our small business expert here, help our socialist friend here understand a little better.....
... and if I believe your numbers, 63% blame it on Wall Street or Dems. Funny you would bring up Bush when you profess not to point fingers.
Dave, you sure are graceful when on the side that doesn't win. Just for the record, if we still lived in Florida Scott would have had 2 more votes. If that's ignorant to you that just to !@#$@#!$!$ bad. I'll stack my intellect up to yours any day and I don't run around being so bitter than I can't think straight. Great day in America yesterday, hopefully we return to sanity and away from the march to socialism.
Bill, It is ignorant to me to trust a man who was in charge of a company fined for the worst medicare fraud in history and yet he says he was "unaware". I don't buy it for a second. If he was that detached.....that unwary....that distracted....then how could he generate such tremendous personal wealth from these companies and better yet how could he lead our state effectively? Now he will be our governor after investing the highest amount of personal income ever in a Florida race for political office.....73 million is the number I saw today. I don't trust this guy a lick and if he could somehow sway the costs of healthcare premiums here in the state to a higher level in the hopes for higher profits for some of his cronies I wouldn't be surprised. Just stand back and watch and see what this huckster tries to pull..
Tom....the point I have been making all along is that the mechanisms and the beginnings of the Wall Street meltdown and the 8 years of Bush came before Obama and mostly before the Dems took office in late 2006. These things were in full bloom by the time of my lay-off in Dec. 2008 and I just don't forget the timeline as many would prefer to do.
Did he get drunk, run his car off a bridge and kill a young girl? Did he have a homosexual lover who ran an escort service out of his apartment? Did he lie to Congress in his financial disclosure filings or not report income on his taxes from a place in the Caribbean? Did he obstruct justice and commit perjury? Did he take money from China and Korea? No wait, he's not a Democrat :roll:
Here you go BT......explain this one away: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3251 "CBO has explained that firms will not hire workers or make new investments unless they have — or expect to have — enough customers to justify the increased capacity. Whether a firm’s taxes modestly rise or fall matters much less in this regard than the level of demand for the firm’s products or services. A CBO analysis noted that some small businesses would profit from an extension of the current top tax rates, but pointedly rejected the argument that Congress should extend these tax cuts to create jobs in a weak economy. CBO explained that “increasing the after-tax income of businesses typically does not create much incentive for them to hire more workers in order to produce more, because production depends principally on their ability to sell their products.” [3] Strange business concept eh BT???? :lol:
Gipper....trust me I don't have the time to write down all of the numerous shenanigans and trysts that have taken place on the other side of the aisle. Let's just call that a push. They both have their loose cannons. On the other hand this guy is an out and out crook and you have to wonder just how he views the people harmed by his illicit tactics.
The notion that an increase in after-tax cash flow has no impact on incremental investment in and growth in our economy is irrational, contrary to every law of economics and human behavior and not worthy of a response....it is patently ridiculous. The converse is also true, a decrease in after-tax cash flow necessarily will have the opposite effect....to believe otherwise is to necessarily conclude the incremental cash benefit will result in no increase in consumption or savings and investment and in its entirety gets thrown into and only into a massive bonfire/cosmic black hole and therefore not find its way into the system in any way shape of form. That is just plain stupid. Can you not think for yourself..... :shock: This is not a debate that you want to have and I will be kind to you and spare you further humiliation in spite of your best efforts.......
So Dave to you I'm ignorant. That's fine. Remember the old saying though that it's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth(keyboard) and remove all doubt. And I might also comment that it's a lot different to vote for someone than to say you have blind trust in them. If I were in Florida for the election I would have voted for Scott. In my well thought out opinion having him as Governor is better than a Democrat or Charlie Christ. Since we are all flawed people we don't get to vote for perfection very often.
"cosmic black hole" You mean like some top executive's bonus check or bank account? :wink: The notion that having extra cash will cause firms to hire employees whether or not they have the perceived need to do so is irrational.
The idea is if there is more free cash... it will GENERATE the need... because more commodities will be purchased up and down the economic stream. Geez, MCG... did you ever take Econ in school? I took a few classes... it was my major. I'm gonna go with BTerry on this.
George, The large, public employee unions have this state in a head lock. Thanks to Gov. Moonbeam, all of us "pubic servants" can retire at 55 with 80-90% of our pay from our highest paid year. Everyone from France to the Soviet Union has gone broke using that system, but we still have it here. It won't change any time soon. We just retire out-of-state with our fairly stolen booty and retire to low tax states like Nevada or Arizona. In Texas, one-third of all new residents are former Californians. We actually outnumber the illegal aliens there. In Colorado, the Boulder area is known as "The Republic of California." Think about it... ......JO'Co BTW- to open and operate a corner store around here costs more than one million bucks. One of my fellow teachers has one and she was talking about it just this morning.
I was speaking in macro terms, meaning lower taxes at all levels help spending/investing at ALL LEVELS... But don't worry. I see there's no way to unseat your view of "The Man"... and how he's keeping the proletariat down.
Hey...I gave "The Man" 23 solid years and when times got rough out I went. I don't have much respect for "The Man". Last night though I sat with friends at a Tiki bar in Dunedin, Fla. on the water watching a beautiful Gulf sunset over Caladesi Island......sipping on a rum runner or two in a gentle, warm Florida gulf breeze. For that.....I thank "The Man"..... :wink: 8)
: mIKE YOU ARE SO FUNNY.... ABOUT THE BAILOUT FOR CALIFORNIA... SINCE MOONBEAM IS NOW GOVERNOR AND OWNED BY THE UNIONS I WAS HOPING MAYBE THE RAISES JOCO WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS OR EVEN THE CUT IN PAY HE HAD TO TAKE THIS YEAR TO KEEP HIS JOB OR EVEN THE 5 DAYS HE HAS TO TAKE NON PAID AT CHRISTMAS..... DAVE KEEPS COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HIM SO I THOUGHT I WOULD THROW IN A FEW ABOUT THE TEACHERS OF CALIFORNIA JIM PAYS ALOT OUT OF POCKET TO COVER EXPENSES IN HIS CLASSROOM WE EVEN PUT IN COOLING FANS TO KEEP HIS CLASSROOM COOL WHEN IT WAS 115 HE SUPPLIES THE STUDENTS W/ PAPER, PENCILS WHATEVER THEY NEED ITS HARD FOR US TOO BUT I NEVER HEAR HIM COMPLAIN I WAS FORCED TO RETIRE IN FEB OR LOSE MY RETIREMENT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK AND ITS HARD (NO ONE WANTS TO HIRE AN OLD COLLECTION LADY- AND I AM VERY GOOD AT WHAT I DO) BUT WE KEEP GOING ALONG. JIM IS MY HERO HE NEVER COMPLAINS EXCEPT WHEN GRADING TERM PAPERS ITS ALL ABOUT THE KIDS SO TO DAVE YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS FACED ISSUES ITS ABOUT HOW YOU FACE AND ACCEPT THOSE ISSUES :wink: