TOK, if available - and I agree they are likely - what do you think the ratings are for the BTN in those very important markets both before and after the addition of Rutgers and MD? I have no doubt that from an investment standpoint that the economics are compelling and from an academic and CIC/research and political impact perspective, adding the two AAU members and the largest and very influential schools in those markets is a real benefit to all member institutions. If I were to make the decision solely on the merits of the two football programs, I would likely not be in support, but the decision criteria should encompass all potential benefits to the member institutions including academic, political, economic as well as athletic.... [/b][/i]
LOL! Bobda strikes again. :lol: BT, I concur with your assessment of the overall value to the B10 of the two new members. When ND and the B10 were talking several years ago, the B10 made it clear that the decision would be based primarily on criteria related to academics and resrearch. I'm sure the B10 position is the same now as it was then.
Well the additon of both MD viewers and RU viewers will be min in the overall scheme of things. But then those are measureables so we will know at some point what the BTN numbers were before and after. On that same note, it's now being reported that the ACC will move quickly to replace MD with one of UConn, Louisville, Cincinnati, or South Florida.
Rutgers will bring the Big 10 network to New Jersey / New York. the Jets are unwatchable and the Giants are boring even when winning. I'm telling you elitists now, Rutgers is no pushover.
You're telling me that the BTN is not available in NY/NJ? There has to be a ton of Big 10 grads who live in the Greater NYC area and Northern NJ. As far as RU not being a pushover maybe so, they are 9-1 this year...but this is not a program that is going to do well in the B10 year in and year out, they will be lucky to hit .500. As a football program they have no great history of achievment or huge fan following. I couldn't help notice that they seem to get around 50K in attendance in the expanded stadium, so lots of walk up tickets available. Plus I question they will bring significant numbers of new viewers to the BTN over and above what already watch in NY/NJ. What it will do is give traditional B10 schools even more of an opening in terms of recruiting in the DC/Balt and NY/NJ areas so I see that as a win for the B10. As far as all the stuff about the CIC, I get that it's a big deal for B10 schools, but a lot of schools seem to do quite well thank you without being members. I haven't seen Duke or UNC or Notre Dame or Georgetown or BC going down hill academically due to lack of membership.
Yep, no doubt about it. Membership in the CIC proves that Rutgers is an elite university http://www.examiner.com/article/snooki-to-rutgers-university-students-study-hard-but-party-harder
Of course they are, nor should they go downhill.....ND, Georgetown and BC are just not large research schools, so would not have whole lot to offer from that perspective. Duke and UNC much more so.....just to give you some perspective, the combined funded expenditures at ND, Georgetown and BC in 2009 was $218MM combined.....Ohio State alone was over $700 million and we're only the 4th largest in the CIC - Big 10 + Chicago. Perhaps it doesn't seem like a big deal from your perspective, but from an R&D standpoint, the CIC is in fact a big deal.....
BT, that certainly was a mutually beneficial relationship for your bank. I missed the words that make up the acronym CIC. Could someone fill me in? Also, BT used the acronym AAU above. I'm guessing it doesn't refer to Amateur Athletic Union. What does it stand for.
According to ESPN, the president of Maryland indicated that the new divisions will look as follows once RU and Maryland come on board: Legends • Michigan • Nebraska • Michigan State • Iowa • Minnesota • Northwestern • Illinois Leaders • Ohio State • Penn State • Wisconsin • Purdue • Indiana • Maryland • Rutgers This may not be the end, though, as supposedly the B10 is looking to add another 2 teams with Georgia Tech being one of the targets. So far, the fan reaction to the 2 new additions is mixed in contrast to the additions of Penn State and Nebraska which was overwhelmingly positive.
No doubt ND is not a big research institution, but Stanford is and they aren't members of the CIC, Texas is and is not a member of the CIC. Point isn't to belittle or anything. But it's an organization of now 14(?) schools. A lot of big research schools aren't members. But first and foremost the Big10 is an athletic conference. MD and RU as new members ...meh.....Neb and Penn State...big additions.
Scott, true on both counts TOK, never suggested otherwise, but those that join benefit and are provided benefits far beyond the field of athletic competition and all member organizations will benefit by their association I think it a wise decision along multiple dimensions
Personally I am not terribly excited about the addition of Maryland and Rutgers to the B!G TEN, but I do understand why it is being addressed. MONEY! The names Maryland and Rutgers are not really prominent athletic names. Projections indicate an increase of four million for each college with the new Big Ten Network concract in 2017. That equates to roughly 10 Million per member. TV coverage money rules the roost now days.
Don, I'm missing something in your last post. If you are adding $4 mill times 2... how does that equate to $10 mill per member.
Tom, According to reports I am reading, the current pay out per member is six million per year. Hopefully that will increase to 10 million per member, even with the addition of two members. If that proves to be true, that is a lot of scholarship money!
Don, here is a piece that I found on network payouts.... http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/21/big-tens-per-member-payout-this-year-nearly-25-million/ And another piece from Forbes with their take on the Maryland and Rutgers deal.... "...the Big Ten Network could see a revenue increase between $100-$200 million annually, which means each Big Ten school may soon be enjoying a $30-40 million payout from TV deals alone in the coming years. For context, consider that Maryland currently gets around $17 million in ACC TV money, and the addition of Notre Dame’s non-football sports is expected to boost that by just $1 million annually." http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/11/20/why-adding-cash-strapped-maryland-and-rutgers-makes-sense-for-the-big-ten/