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  1. Stu Ryckman

    Stu Ryckman Well-Known Member

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    https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeat...exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

    "First, as all know, the medication has become highly politicized. For many, it is viewed as a marker of political identity, on both sides of the political spectrum. Nobody needs me to remind them that this is not how medicine should proceed. We must judge this medication strictly on the science. When doctors graduate from medical school, they formally promise to make the health and life of the patient their first consideration, without biases of race, religion, nationality, social standing—or political affiliation. Lives must come first."
     
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  2. WSU1996kesley

    WSU1996kesley Well-Known Member

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    Very good article Stu. He must have read my post from 7/22 for this 7/23 article!
     
  3. Terry O'Keefe

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    I was going to post that article Stu, it's goes to show you how everything is so political. The anti-Trump media made that drug, drug with a long known history, sound like it was snake oil sold from the back of a Chevy wagon. Didn't matter whether it worked or not Trump endorsed it so it had to be attacked.
     
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  4. gipper

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    "Didn't matter whether it worked or not Trump endorsed it so it had to be attacked" and these are the same lying bastards that demand that "we follow the science."
     
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  5. Motorcity Gator

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    This kind of crap from Trump is why this virus is not going away anytime soon:
    "Then the President retweeted a video in which a group of doctors make false claims about the virus, including one who says "you don't need masks" because hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug pushed by the President, is a "cure" in combination with several other drugs. Multiple credible scientific studies say the treatment is ineffective against Covid-19. The video, which went viral on YouTube, was later removed by Facebook and Twitter because it spread misinformation."
     
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  6. gipper

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    "Multiple credible scientific studies say the treatment is ineffective against Covid-19. " Total leftist ********. Not one of those "credible" studies was nearly as extensive as the Henry Ford Hospital study. That study done over months with 2,500 patients found that hydroxychloroquine reduced the fatality rate by one half. This is a significant positive result. So now twitter the internet sewer is making decisions as to what is and isn't true? Only a ******* moron would take that seriously.
     
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  7. Scott88

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    Stop being obtuse Mike, and tell us what you really think.
    ;)
     
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  8. Motorcity Gator

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  9. WSU1996kesley

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    Exactly how is Twitter's policy of blocking "harmful disinformation" even possible?

    When the CDC and WHO advise differently, does Twitter then decide that they, themselves, are the arbiter of truth?

    When equally-credible studies (in the eyes of the pier-review journals) indicate differences in treatment advice, does Twitter decide that they, themselves, are the arbiter of truth?

    Based on what expertise does Twitter over-rule scientific expertise that is in opposition to their perception? Aren't we supposed to "follow the science"? Isn't the underlying foundation of science the ability to test, question, and refute hypotheses, theories, and treatments via data, studies, and experiments?

    So far, more Hydroxychloroquine is ineffective studies have been proved to be BS and rescinded than studies that support its efficacy. Yet, opinions of experts that support the use of a drug, which has been safely used by MILLIONS for DECADES, has become a target for removal based on the "internal expertise" of Twitter?

    Forgive me for being dubious that the sole purpose of the Twitter policy is for the protection of the public. When I have to be protected from KNOWLEDGE, then someone is intentionally obfuscating/silencing the debate. And it is not the SCIENTISTS that are putting the INFORMATION out there for review.

    It may very well be that Hydroxychloroquine is ineffective, but that is not SETTLED by a long shot. The only thing that is "settled" is the fact that Trump supported the possibility of there being possible benefits and the deranged opposition immediately demonized it.

    Two relevant questions: How many people has Hydroxychloroquine killed due to side effects over the decades it was in use? vs. How many people died because the "news" and Left did everything in their power to prevent a possible treatment from being available due to political derangement?

    What other drug, prescribed by a person's Doctor, is refused by a Pharmacist? That is how political this VERY SAFE DRUG has become. It isn't refused because it is dangerous. It is refused because it is POLITICAL.

    What other drug sees a Pharmacist calling to question a prescribing Doctor for what condition the Hydroxychloroquine is prescribed? Rightly so, the Doctor should be answering "NONE OF YOUR EFFING BUSINESS, this is a matter between MY patient and ME, the PRESCRIBING PHYSICIAN. Please issue the drug as prescribed." A Pharmacist has NO right to inquire as to what medical condition a patient is prescribed ANY medication. PERIOD. Yet, this VERY SAFE DRUG has triggered such a political storm that Pharmacists now see it as their duty to "protect" the public from taking this VERY SAFE DRUG which was PRESCRIBED by their PHYSICIAN.

    Amazing.
     
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  10. Motorcity Gator

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    Trump didn't tweet that it's still unproven if hydroxychloriquine had any positive effect.... he tweeted that mask wearing wasn't necessary because the drug represented a cure for getting Covid-19.
    A very dangerous misrepresentation and lie that is the type of misinformation put out by Trump on a frequent basis that has our nation and especially my state of Florida mired in the middle of this killer pandemic.
     
  11. gipper

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    He retweeted a video made by a bunch of doctors who had opinions based on their experiences with Covid. One of them has used the drug with success and believes it's responsible for her and her staff for not getting the virus. Don't forget Dr. Dave that when the disease was first starting to spread throughout the nation, Dr. Fauci and others were telling us not to wear masks. That was done for ulterior motives just as those ******** "studies" on the effectiveness of HCQ you referred to were and some of which have been withdrawn by publishers.
    Henry Ford Hospital was studying not only the effectiveness of the drug for treatment of those infected, they also were testing whether or not it had proactive effects. That study hasn't been reported yet, but like the other half of the study, there must have been some basis for them testing that theory. The worst disease infecting out country might be TDS and you're the classic case.
     
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  12. Motorcity Gator

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    "Don't forget Dr. Dave that when the disease was first starting to spread throughout the nation, Dr. Fauci and others were telling us not to wear masks"

    What you and your Liar-in-Chief want to forget Gipper is that since that one statement Fauci made on March 8th.... which he clarified later as not wanting the public to buy masks like toilet paper and deprive front line workers of masks..... he has said 100 times over on every network how wearing masks to prevent spread of the virus is critical. What a ******* joke it is when the right continually brings that up....
    And for one moment let's say the Henry Ford Study over rides all the other other studies reported by JAMA and the New England Journal of Medicine amongst many other reputable studies and so 13% of patients die instead of 26% dying from Covid in their hospitals in Detroit.
    Some kind of cure that is. Maybe that's why athletes making 8 million per year don't trust assholes like Trump that say sure.... there is a cure.... no need to wear a mask or be careful..... and so they opt out of the season instead of taking a chance with hydroxychloriquine as their savior.
     
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  13. gipper

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    Once again you missed my point Dr. Dave. Fauci knowingly lied for an ulterior motive. He placed the lives of front line workers above the lives of average Americans. If he's a doctor he took an oath to do no harm. Is lying about disease preventing devices not harmful. If he'd lie for that reason, he's like you on the left, he'd lie for whatever he thinks is the better purpose. Oh and he also said in late Jan. that the virus was not a serious threat to the US.
    I watched ABC News tonight. What a pack of untruths and half truths. Their report on Dr. Immanuel was a true hatchet job. They conveniently left out that she practiced medicine in Nigeria and was very familiar with the safety of HCQ. The bitch who did the report described her as only being licensed in the state of Texas for 1 yr. What they didn't mention is that she's been licensed in La. since 1008 and is also licensed in Ky. The inference is that she had only been a doctor for 1 yr. which is totally false. The next "report" was on Barr's appearance before the House. They had clips from Nadler and other Dems but not a second was dedicated to Republican questions. Totally biased and not really NEWS. Then there was a report on a tropical storm in the Atlantic (the nightly climate change story) They had the track of the storm hitting FL. On the local weather they had just shown the projected tracks by the various weather services, 2 out of about 12 had the storm hitting FL. All and all a waste of a half hour unless your a Dem supporter who needs his nightly shovel full of ********.
     
  14. HUSKERMAN-HUSKERFAN

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    Dave, have you ever seen "Pet Detective" with Jim Carey?

    You remind me of the field goal kicker.
     
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    I can only hope that Trump himself gets the virus..... is hospitalized and is one of the "lucky" 10% that hydroxychloriquine keeps alive..... and "cures" him after several agonizing days or weeks in the hospital leaving him with possible long term health consequences from the virus.
    He certainly deserves that "cure" for purposely misleading the American public with his "no need for masks" hydroxychloriquine will cure you claim.
    Anyone else for a "cure"?
     
  16. Stu Ryckman

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    Pathetic.
     
  17. Motorcity Gator

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    He is pathetic Stu for saying such misleading ********. That kind of lack of leadership at the top is a chief reason why this virus continues to spread and is severely limiting our way of life including sports.... and taking American lives the count of which is at 150,000 and climbing.

    You either think he's pathetic for saying it or you don't believe he said it.

    Which is it?

    As educated as you seem to be Stu how do you excuse Trump for saying such a potentially damaging lie? I can't understand the logic of seemingly educated people who choose to ignore his lunacy and excuse him for setting such poor examples in the face of this pandemic.
     
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    My wife just played the most bizarre clip for me of that Dr. Immanuel talking about spirits and snake penises and other really far out crazy woman **** and we have Trump citing her as his believable source on hydroxychloriquine. Trump described the goofy doctor as "extremely impressive."
    She's also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens, and that they're trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious.

    Pathetic indeed.
     
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  19. Stu Ryckman

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    No I don't find Dr. Immanuel to be very credible. Yes, Trump retweeted her BS at the SCOTUS. Yes so did 20 million other people, I think...and yes, I think that hydroxychloroquine has credible evidence of being helpful and it is being trashed by people like you...who just want to belittle anything that has been associated with Trump. You claim to be the arbiter of facts and yet all you do is Trump bash. Before him it was Bush. Tiresome.
     
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    Fauci today repeated what he has said numerous times that there is no credible evidence of any benefit from hydroxychloroquine for treating Covid-19.
    I heard a another medical expert say that there is no dispute on that between Trump and Fauci.... because that would elevate Trump to Fauci's medical plane of expertise and that is laughable.
    What's not laughable is all of Trump's supporters out there who listen to what he says about hydroxychloroquine eliminating the need for wearing a mask because the drug is a cure for the virus.
    It's lethal irresponsibility and just prolongs this agonizing deadly pandemic for all of us. But Trump doesn't care about that..... he will stop at nothing even needless deaths to be right.
     
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