Nobody can deny that since Spurrier took over the program that the Gators have been one of the best programs in college football. It corresponds to the population shift to the South. All of the SEC programs have benefited from the growth of the SE region of the country. As have we in Texas benefited from the growth in our state.
Ah Terry, you used one of the items I was going to use if Corey wanted to continue, the population growth of the south and how it changed many things, including a shift in college football power. Thanks.
Bill fact is that kids like to stay close to home, and the more kids you have playing any sport the more top player you have. So it's just natural that the sports teams across the South are better now than ever before. No way places like USF and UCF would be doing as well as they do if it weren't for the huge population growth in Fla. I thought it interesting that when I watched Neb and Az play they both had a large contingent of Texans on the roster. Texas can only take 20-25 players a year and even if we get the top 25 players in the state (which we don't) that would still leave a lot of talent for the other teams including out of state teams. I always see a lot of Fla kids on teams in the Big East. Same thing for West Coast teams, lots of Calif players on those teams. USC can't take them all.
Gentlemen, we have exhausted all arguments. Why don't you talk about the last 20 years of Irish football and you will all feel better about yourselves. :wink: Walk a mile in our shoes.
Terry, that's so true. Speaking of USF and UCF, I expected to see UCF develop the fastest, but USF did. Now UCF has their own on campus stadium and very much want to get into the Big East. USF wants to hold them out so they can stay better than UCF. We will see how that works out in the long run and now that USF is getting a new coach. George, frankly I agree with you about the topic playing out. At least I agree for now, probably the next time Corey gets upset with MCG and uses that as an excuse to let his anti Gator hostility out, who knows I might start another one challenging his underlying assumptions. Which is in this case sadly lacking. As far as discussing Notre Dame in a negative light the last 20 years, that's not my style. I might also add that in Notre Dame's case I expect them to return to the elite status they have been in the past. But I have no desire to rub in the problems that a program has had in recent years. I'll leave that to MCG and Corey. By the way George I obviously don't agree with you about everything but like Terry and Sid, I do appreciate the independent thought you put into things.
Which could explain how one could come to the conclusion that 50 years ago is somehow more important than the last 20. ....just sayin..... 8)
holy f*ck, the fact that this topic has 20something replies (most between you and Dave slapping each other on the back, and others just wanting to avoid conflict) shows just what kinda strip mall your history is... the fact that you have to jam it in people's faces. the fact that you have to manipulate stats and toss them around to show how you are 'the greatest ever' goes even further.... You can make this about me directly and what an asshole I am. That's fine, then just go ahead and do it.. edit, that little comment about strip malls and castles must have really stung you. I stated, quite clearly, that I have learned quite a bit about your history. So much so, in fact, that nothing you've posted today showed me anything that I didn't already know. But the fact that you have history doesn't make it history of greatness. Your school has always held potential. The Bear himself recognized that many years ago. As Terry mentioned, and I did so many many many times, that since Spurrier there is no denying your greatness.. But before that, you're a regional subplot at best. You had a Heisman winner.. That's fantastic.. So does Houston... You're the one who called me out on this. You want a number and a quantity when there really isn't one. You keep going this way and you'll be right up there.. in the meantime, strip mall to Windsor Castle is spot on and you know it.. That's why you're still bitching.
Edit I think you're still bleeding from my comments. Sorry, I really didn't think the truth would hurt you guys so bad. Kick my Irish all we want.. We know we've been failures. Our history is, at times, our curse. It's something you will learn in time. If you want my full opinion sports as a coach and/or fan, I will tell you this: The most important game is the next one. Everything else behind you is for parents, fans and people who never played this game but can write a decent story.
Corey, first I never insulted Notre Dame. Second I responded to a couple of MCG's comments, so what? Third you are doing your typical and trying to throw apples in the orange bowl or vice versa. I challenged your history analysis and still do, stung me, yes a bit. Not that I can't handle it, but it sure does seem when you are challenged you go off the deep end. Accuse me of stuff I never said or did etc etc. One more thing, why is it so difficult for you to handle a challenge without using profanity? And you say you got to me, quite the opposite the way I see it. I made my point and in the future you confine your comments to things that are accurate and not so off the wall I won't need to argue with you so much.
I actually use the profanity when Im not challenged Bill. This topic is proof of it You want a number for something that really is an intangible. When I say "great southern football" to someone in the south, west or midwest whatever... Florida is certainly in the discussion if not the first name brought up. If I say "greatest southern football team of all-time" and they say Alabama. right-across-the-board. Well, maybe not in Gainesville. I think I may start color coding my responses between the two of you. That way you two can stop hiding behind one another while tossing out your jabs.
Hey Corey, I don't disagree about Alabama and their greatness, I also never insulted Notre Dame. And it's fine that all the people you poll about southern football always talk about Alabama. And it's amazing to me that a guy who can go on a major rant when an announcer said the this graduating class for the University of Florida will have won the most games of any senior class in history of the SEC, which could be backed up by numbers, then go on such a rant as you did in that other topic and feign such shock when you are challenged. I shouldn't be amazed but I am.
Bill, Its not a rant.. It goes to show the truth to the statement that there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
It was a rant, and no doubt you don't like statistics, they would not back up your position about the Gators. But hey have a great day.
Corey, this is Windsor Castle. Built 900 years ago when England was the major power in the known world. At that time people thought the world was flat and you took a big risk with your life if you took any other position. Main mode of transportation was walking, riding a horse or a horse pulled wagon. It took days to travel a hundred miles or so. This is an aerial view of the Mall of Georgia, a modern strip mall, ok I took a liberty with the word strip, but hey it's my post. People now know that the world is not flat and this type view was not even available when Windsor was built. Airplanes were banned at that time I believe.
But if you have a good understanding of statistical processes it's not hard to know when that happens. Then of course a lot of people are afraid of statistics because it exposes the weakness of their position.
Read your last post.. I have an understanding of statistical analysis, a rather full one.. which is exactly why I know why it is (potentially) such ********. I've tried to exit this topic but you continue to go on..so just reply to this one last time and know that I won't reply so you can make up whatever Florida uber alles kinda jingoistic statement that makes you feel good.. back to statistical analysis, case in point: You stated earlier that Florida senior class was the winningest in the history of the SEC because they went 48-7 (I believe that's the record). I stated it was disingenuous because we play more games today and Alabama had at least 3 to 4 more classes with a higher winning percentage and achieved multiple NCs and actually more conferences titles.. Somehow I 'couldn't comprehend' that this was 'proven by statistics'... statistics which actually show the same point you just made was ********.. depending on how you look at the issue.. But let's just assume I am wrong and using your metric, Florida just passed through the most winning class in the history of the SEC... Using that same metric and limited scope.. Boise State just passed a class that graduated 49-4. They also had 2 undefeated seasons. Does that make this Boise State senior class better than the senior class that Florida just graduated? Or is that a statistical manipulation of the data to make a point that can neither be proven or disproven because it always depends upon the position of the person viewing/judging the data? You're the math guy.. tell us.. Is Boise's senior class greater than Tebows?
This I would not dispute. But over time Florida has been catching up big time and if you watched Florida get some major verbals today at the U.S Army Game.....including Game MVP Ron Powell from California you might think the Gators aren't going away any time soon. Maybe UF doesn't have the "greatest" team title but the closest team in the SEC for number of losing seasons going back to 1950 was Tenn with 8 ( UF 6 ). And no SEC team can claim zero losing seasons going back to 1979 and I don't know who nationally can say that either. Let's just say the history is a pretty good one.....if not great and I'll be happy with that.
sh*t, it's a great history!! a rather shallow start but a roaring past 2 decades has thrust you right up there.. no doubt about it.. But if your grandkids are still hooting and enjoying the Gator wins like you are.. then you'll be there.
Corey, it's a terrible thing for someone you despise so much to have such success isn't it. I am of course referring to you and the Gators. I listed to all of the the utube you posted then deleted the post. I wrote my fellow moderators to get their opinion, however Tom doesn't want to moderate Gator things and Terry is apparently out. So I did it on my own. If you want to appeal to Terry I will abide by any decision he makes and if he thinks it's appropriate then you can post it again. I doubt he will, but help yourself.