Apparently, J. T. Barrett had surgery on his knee Sunday. Arthroscopic knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus. It must not have been too serious as he is already practicing and is scheduled to start Saturday evening?
"Well the problem with that theory Terry is.... what good is a conference then?" Corey, let's just keep the same selection process and take the top eight teams instead of the top four?
Where exactly do you see that 7-5 team coming from? Let's use THIS YEAR as an example. #1 Clemson vs #7 Miami #2 Auburn vs #6 Georgia #3 Oklahoma vs #10 TCU #4 Wiscy vs #8 Ohio St #10 USC vs #12 Stanford. I guess your argument is pointed at the PAC 12 this year? The "worst" team with a shot at sneaking in would be 9-3 Stanford at #12. If they win that champ game obviously their ranking would not end at #12. I suppose you MIGHT find a few teams YOU feel should get in in front of Stanford, but that's a debate, not a fact. FACT would be they WON A TITLE. They certainly aren't 7-5, and I don't see that ever happening.
Hey if in a 8 team playoff a Conf Champ isn't in the top 8, too bad. Lets play the best 8, not the best 7 +1
this is the legacy mindset of the poisonous BCS and poll era. On the field matters and it should matter more than the polls. As an ND fan, you should know that there are guys (like Steve Spurrier) who will always vote against ND. He's said it repeatedly. He's proud of it. That has no place in this business.
If you want NFL/NBA style playoffs then that's what you want...I like it where the totality of the regular season counts, not some upset in a conference championship game. Let the season mean something, let the best 8 teams settle things at that the end, not the best 7 + 1 team who got lucky. Polls by writers and coaches don't mean squat, while the Final Four tourney is a way bigger draw, conference champs don't get no respect, there are every year teams that win the confernce championship out of the blue and get the autobid but they still don't get a good seed. The teams that have played well all year still get the top seeds.
Can someone please explain to me, slowly, how FCS, DII and DIII manage to do this but only DI football looks at this the way man looked at fire the first time?
It's an easy answer, Div1 (FBS) has built up a massive bowl system that puts mega dollars into their coffers. If we go to a 16 team playoff...so you get all the conference champs into it, worthy or not, then the bowls have to go. That's not happening. There are no legacy bowls for the lower divisions, so it's easy.
Not true. There are bowl games for DII http://www.d2football.com/ The bottom line is the bowl games do not line the pockets of anyone but admins and bowl officials. They are a dying part of the game and will one day be done. You could still have bowls and an 8 or 16 team playoff. How many teams are going bowling this year? Here's the list of DII and DIII bowl games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_bowl_games#Division_II_bowls
Terry... where did we say we want 16 teams? I don't want that. What I want is for the power 5 conferences to MEAN something. You are hung up on the NFL model... that's not what we're talking about here. The worst case is probably always going to be a 9 win team as in my example above. It might happen once in a while that an 8 win team makes it to a champ game, but if they're as "bad" as you suggest, they won't win it.
Terry, my opinion is that you are dead wrong. Non-SEC fans have had to deal with the BCS ******** that the top two teams in the country were from the SEC, so nobody else was given a chance to prove that to not be the case. Non-SEC fans have had to deal with the CFP ******** opinion that the top four teams in the country were from the SEC. Thankfully, that has not been the case in the final CFP rankings to date. To continue this thought to ridculousness, I fear the exclusion from those that write the articles that the top 8 teams in the country could ever be from the SEC. LET EACH CONFERENCE DECIDE how to determine their champion. If their champion gets smacked around in the playoff, so be it, but at least each was represented and the final product determined the champion, not what a bunch of opinion-makers decided. In that case, there are still three at-large teams that can be placed into the mix for those other teams that didn't win their conference yet are "obviously" one of the best eight teams in the country. I would rather argue about the at-large spots, then argue why certain conferences just are so damn good that the other four aren't worthy to be in the CFP. Now, the 4-team is hella better than the BCS ever was, but until all the conferences have a shot, it's still all opinion. For personal enjoyment, I was REALLY hoping ND would get into the CFP this year. I was hoping for two teams from the SEC, then a 1-loss ACC champ getting in. Ideally, this would have left out an undefeated B10 champ, a 1-loss B12 champ, and a 1- or 2-loss P12 champ. At that time, I think some serious movement would have been made to get to an 8-team playoff since the only enrichment being transferred was for the SEC. Alas, the decisions have been made easier for the 4-team, so far.
Sorry I'm just not buying it, let the conferences decide how they determine the champion..ok that's fine. But if your conference champion isn't one of the best 4 (or 8 ) then I'm sorry no autobid to the playoffs. Best teams get in, it's what makes college football great and different from the NFL/NBA where medicore teams get into the playoffs because (like the Houston Texans)they won a terrible division (AFC South).
Scott, UCLA was the P12S representative in the P12CG at 6-7 (5-4). Even though USC had the best record in the P12S at 10-2 (7-2) they were banned from the post-season. "Luckily" UO beat UCLA to go to 11-2 (8-1). In the event of an upset, UCLA would have been the P12 representative at 7-6. I am not willing to say a 1-loss P5 conference champion is not an auto-bid. I'm not willing to say a 2-loss P5 conference champion is not an auto-bid. I'm not willing to say a 3-loss P5 conference champion is not an auto-bid. This may seem like a ridiculous statement, but so the F what if UCLA would have been the P12 representative? Who did they force out? I'm betting that after that loss, UO would be the alternate left out since they are most likely not going to get an at-large after such a horrible CG loss. So, all that would do is harm the conference, not anyone else. P5 conference champs and 3 at-large. One of those at-large can be a G5 champ if ranked in the T15. ND would need to be an at-large if they are one of the 2 or 3 highest-ranked non-conference-champion.
Lets play a 32 team playoff weekly right through Christams and New Years and then the last two teams standing will purely be the ones who are luckiest with injuries.
There was a time when ND had an auto bid based on reaching certain goals...that's gone. Now they have to be in the top 4 or if we go to 8 the top 8. That's the criteria we should hold to for the 4 and 8 team formats. If we go to 16 teams then sure give auto bids to the P5 conference champions. It's highly unlikely that a P5 Conf champ is going to be ranked outside the top 16 anyway.
Terry if Notre Dame had a conference alliance in the near future would you still feel the same way. Example: Irish win the ACC coastal and then defeat FSU in the championship game, everyone agrees that by far the Irish despite two losses are playing at a level far above the current ranked schools. Unfortunately because the Irish despite their current high level of play are excluded from the championship series even though they played an additional game than two of the higher ranked teams...
Yes I would if we were a full time ACC member and won the ACC but our season record left us outside the top 8 for what ever the reason, I'd say we're not in the top 8 so be it. Again if we go to 16 teams then giving Conference Champs the auto bid is fine. That's what happens in basketball, but if they aren't one of the best teams based on the season record then they don't get the good seeds. How many times have we seen a team highly ranked not win their conference tourney and it not hurt them with regards to seeding, and the team who wins doesn't get a boost if they didn't have a great season, just made the tourney and got on a run.